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Reply #15 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 12:05pm:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:56am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:43am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
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Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)




Chump....just because you are feeling better one day doesn't mean you can stop taking your medication...ok???

Go and take your pills. Come back when the voices aren't so loud and confusing.






OH WHATS WRONG MR RIDER?

Did you get exposed in public criticising the miniscule grants and subsidies given to renewable, responsible, sustainable and CLEAN energy options and forget to mention the ENORMOUS socialistic corporate welfare cheques handed out to the fossil fuel and mining sectors WHICH ARE 83% foreign owned

You poor thing! I may need to take it easy on you from now on - you are intellectually defenceless after all you smelly freak!



No please don't. Can you tell us all the cost of subsidies including research that has been spent on 'renewables' ?

If subsidies are BAD for fossil fuel, then it stands to reason they must be BAD for renewable energy sources as well.

Also, do you need an adult to help you with the tops of the pill bottles, sometimes they are 'child' proof, ask mummy or daddy to help if you need to.


You didn't know that the fossil fuel and mining industries in Australia receive over 10 billion dolalrs per year in Subsidies and grants???

I agree with you - scrap ALL subsidies

Guess who will squeal the loudest MR RIDER?

Do your own research in who gets what if you're genuinely interested

But of course youre not.

We all know what sort of society youre interested in don't we Mr Rider you putrid clown stench freak


So how much Chimp?? How much money do we the tax payer pay for these uneconomical monuments to green stupidity?? How Much??? Or are these figures too compromising??

BTW - off road diesel fuel is used off road, the on road excise etc is not charged because it is consumed off road. Just like other legitimate business in Australia, like farmers and fishers, and dare I say it......evil miners. Other so called 'subsidies' are also legitimate write downs and taxation allowances, just like those applied to other businesses in Australia.  So no point getting your knickers all knotted now is it.

You just don't like it because its private enterprise and not your socialist utopia. Mug. Back to North Korea for you old sonny.
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Reply #16 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:57pm
 
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 12:05pm:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:56am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:43am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
.


Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)




Chump....just because you are feeling better one day doesn't mean you can stop taking your medication...ok???

Go and take your pills. Come back when the voices aren't so loud and confusing.






OH WHATS WRONG MR RIDER?

Did you get exposed in public criticising the miniscule grants and subsidies given to renewable, responsible, sustainable and CLEAN energy options and forget to mention the ENORMOUS socialistic corporate welfare cheques handed out to the fossil fuel and mining sectors WHICH ARE 83% foreign owned

You poor thing! I may need to take it easy on you from now on - you are intellectually defenceless after all you smelly freak!



No please don't. Can you tell us all the cost of subsidies including research that has been spent on 'renewables' ?

If subsidies are BAD for fossil fuel, then it stands to reason they must be BAD for renewable energy sources as well.

Also, do you need an adult to help you with the tops of the pill bottles, sometimes they are 'child' proof, ask mummy or daddy to help if you need to.


You didn't know that the fossil fuel and mining industries in Australia receive over 10 billion dolalrs per year in Subsidies and grants???

I agree with you - scrap ALL subsidies

Guess who will squeal the loudest MR RIDER?

Do your own research in who gets what if you're genuinely interested

But of course youre not.

We all know what sort of society youre interested in don't we Mr Rider you putrid clown stench freak


So how much Chimp?? How much money do we the tax payer pay for these uneconomical monuments to green stupidity?? How Much??? Or are these figures too compromising??

BTW - off road diesel fuel is used off road, the on road excise etc is not charged because it is consumed off road. Just like other legitimate business in Australia, like farmers and fishers, and dare I say it......evil miners. Other so called 'subsidies' are also legitimate write downs and taxation allowances, just like those applied to other businesses in Australia.  So no point getting your knickers all knotted now is it.

You just don't like it because its private enterprise and not your socialist utopia. Mug. Back to North Korea for you old sonny.


let me put it this way Mr Rider, the tax payer outlays for renewables and sustainable energy options is about 7% of that for the fossil fuels and mining sectors.

The only change to that arrangement was the recently formed Clean Energy Finance Corporation which was set up as a standard corporate body with  a one off 10 billion dollar budget.

Of course the Abbott government has announced that it will be axing that Financing body.

So its business as usual, about 800 million to renewables and over 10.7 billion to the fossil fuel and mining sectors.

IMF put the global tax payer outlay to the fossil fuel sectors at 1.9 trillion US

Where are your capitalist free market ideologies now?

I suppose you are also happy to see tax payers money go to the Australian car manufacturing industry - a sector totally owned by foreign multinational corporations (mainly US and Japanese). Billions of dollars have be given as social corporate welfare over the years to these fake corporate leaches

Why doesn't Australia have its own car manufacturer?

Governments can fund its initial set up. I am sure Australians would buy a home grown vehicle.


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Reply #17 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:43am
 
Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables, and wild claims of “fossil fuel subsidies” debunked


http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/government-burn-70-billion-a-year-subsidizing-r...
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Reply #18 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 8:29am
 
Wind turbine blown over by wind in Devon

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HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 8:33am
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:43am:
Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables, and wild claims of “fossil fuel subsidies” debunked


http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/government-burn-70-billion-a-year-subsidizing-r...


aaawwww, you stole my headline  Grin

There's actually some decent info on the US figures as well, about 6 or 7 to 1 in favour of renewable subsidies. Australia (not surprisingly) has been masking the true costs quite well, dividing  the spoils up between 3 levels of government means it is almost impossible to pin down just how high the cost has been to the tax payer (present and future).

What's worse is when you see how much the billions blown actually return to us in electricity....return on investment is an unknown term to these green twats.
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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:02am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 8:29am:


there are plenty of those in the warehouses around the world. Not every country is as stupid and deranged as Australia.

Perhaps you could support Japanese with their ongoing full core meltdowns at the Fukushima Daichi nuclear facility?

It appears they may need about 1/2 trillion dollars over a period of 40 years to carry out the first step of the clean up operation.

But as we all know clean up isn't possible when the genie is out of the bottle is it mr Soren?

Enjoy your seafood
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Reply #21 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:08am
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:43am:
Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables, and wild claims of “fossil fuel subsidies” debunked


http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/government-burn-70-billion-a-year-subsidizing-r...


70 billion? lol

As much as the total Health Budget?

really?

Ajax loses his credibility is one post - not that he had much in the first place.

Deceptions are his forte

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Reply #22 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:23am
 
muso wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:30pm:
How much impact do motor vehicles have on bird life?

9 Human Activities That Threaten Birds Quote:
Some 60 to 80 million birds are killed each year by motor vehicles. This averages out to roughly 15 bird deaths per mile driven per year.

Acta Ornithologica 38(2):77-93. 2003 Quote:
Estimates of annual mortality for some European countries (350 000 to 27 million birds), the monthly distribution of casualties, their distribution among sex and age classes, as well as the methods used in the study of this problem are presented.
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Reply #23 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:37am
 
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...and 83% of mining operations and profits in Australia are foreign owned - Dumb Australia
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Reply #24 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:54am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:37am:
http://ramblingsdc.net/Australia/Energy/SubsidyToMining.jpg

...and 83% of mining operations and profits in Australia are foreign owned - Dumb Australia


Diesel off road useage is not required to pay on road excise. Get it. Same for on farm use, same for fishing vessels which use diesel fuel. Get it????

If it isn't used on public roads why should it pay the on road excise???? Duplicitous bullsh1t from you Chump.  Bitchin about diesel prices just because you twats all went out and bought diesel Golfs and the fuel companies jacked up the prices is one thing, nothing to do with primary producers using diesel off road.

So just for you Chump, its not used on public roads. Get over it.

Its like if I smoked, I could smoke in my house. But if I go to a non smoking restaurant, I can't smoke my lovely fulsome flavoured Peter Stuyvesant Extra Milds ( Grin just giving my Big Tobacco funder a subtle plug), now I need to go and get in my big Chevrolet NatureCrusher 4x4 fuelled by Diesel Super Grade Non Sustainable Double Strength Particulate and rip past the green twats over in Northcote  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #25 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:57am
 
# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:23am:
muso wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:30pm:
How much impact do motor vehicles have on bird life?

9 Human Activities That Threaten Birds Quote:
Some 60 to 80 million birds are killed each year by motor vehicles. This averages out to roughly 15 bird deaths per mile driven per year.

Acta Ornithologica 38(2):77-93. 2003 Quote:
Estimates of annual mortality for some European countries (350 000 to 27 million birds), the monthly distribution of casualties, their distribution among sex and age classes, as well as the methods used in the study of this problem are presented.


what twattery is that, 15 bird deaths per mile travelled.....fmd...the roads would be paved with feathers  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 10:40am
 
Rider wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:54am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 9:37am:
http://ramblingsdc.net/Australia/Energy/SubsidyToMining.jpg

...and 83% of mining operations and profits in Australia are foreign owned - Dumb Australia


Diesel off road useage is not required to pay on road excise. Get it. Same for on farm use, same for fishing vessels which use diesel fuel. Get it????

If it isn't used on public roads why should it pay the on road excise???? Duplicitous bullsh1t from you Chump.  Bitchin about diesel prices just because you twats all went out and bought diesel Golfs and the fuel companies jacked up the prices is one thing, nothing to do with primary producers using diesel off road.

So just for you Chump, its not used on public roads. Get over it.

Its like if I smoked, I could smoke in my house. But if I go to a non smoking restaurant, I can't smoke my lovely fulsome flavoured Peter Stuyvesant Extra Milds ( Grin just giving my Big Tobacco funder a subtle plug), now I need to go and get in my big Chevrolet NatureCrusher 4x4 fuelled by Diesel Super Grade Non Sustainable Double Strength Particulate and rip past the green twats over in Northcote  Grin Grin Grin


The so called AUSTRALIAN mining and energy industries are 83% foreign owned and only employ about 3% of the Australian workforce. (more people employed in the Queensland tourist industry alone)

THese sectors receive about 10.7 Billion dollars per year from the Tax Payer.

You support this type of corporate welfare?

I doubt whether you even understand what you stand for let alone can justify your stance in public with any rigour you skin of decaying jerky beef scum filth
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Reply #27 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 2:12pm
 
Hey chimp

If I was in power I would hang every prime minister starting with Bob Hawke onwards for treason.

I would kick out all the leaches like rio tinto, woodside, exxon etc etc.

I would take over as the government all mining and oil & gas that way Australia and the Australian tax payer gets 100% of the profits from our resources.

Instead of a hand full of elite moguls that live overseas.

I would then buy back all the cash cows, like our commonwealth bank (or maybe make a new one), our telecommunications, water, electricity, gas, public transport etc etc.

Again 100% profits going to the Australian government and people.

And then I guess the elite moguls would have me assassinated and replaced by some traitor who would sell everything back again at probably half price like the first time.

You know when Keating floated our dollar, and the moguls waltzed in and bought everything for half price.

They must think we aussies are just plain stupid and dumb.
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Reply #28 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:35pm
 
Hey Ajax,

70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?

Really? As much as the total health budget?

Astonishing how it hasn't taken off...

you must be dreaming again and spreading your garbage again.

You need to return to your mother country Germany and see how they do things there - quite different from the worlds number 1 DUMB country - Australia
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Reply #29 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Hey Ajax,

70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?

Really? As much as the total health budget?

Astonishing how it hasn't taken off...

you must be dreaming again and spreading your garbage again.

You need to return to your mother country Germany and see how they do things there - quite different from the worlds number 1 DUMB country - Australia


Hey chimp

its fact look it up, I didn't pull this figure out of my arse.

Quote:
“More than US$70 billion of support is provided by governments to renewable energy production and consumption worldwide.”

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/energy-iea-gas-idUKL5E8KD4ZJ20120913



I guess it will be quite safe now that all the eugenicists are working for the United Nations, the IPCC and other club of rome playgrounds.
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