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Reply #30 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 4:00pm
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:53pm:
[quote author=Chimp_Logic link=1383039396/28#28 date=1383197753]Hey Ajax,

70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?

Really? As much as the total health budget?

Astonishing how it hasn't taken off...

you must be dreaming again and spreading your garbage again.

You need to return to your mother country Germany and see how they do things there - quite different from the worlds number 1 DUMB country - Australia


Hey chimp

its fact look it up, I didn't pull this figure out of my arse.

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“More than US$70 billion of support is provided by governments to renewable energy production and consumption worldwide.”

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AH 70 billion WORLDWIDE - chicken droppings (a good investment anyway)

IMF put the tax payer contributions to the fossil fuel sectors at 1.9 TRILLION dollars per annum

And the 1.9 trillion does not include the cost of OIL wars and resource theft by the WEST - esp the US fascist corporate military rogue terrorist state clown freaks

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Reply #31 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 4:06pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 4:00pm:
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:53pm:
[quote author=Chimp_Logic link=1383039396/28#28 date=1383197753]Hey Ajax,

70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?

Really? As much as the total health budget?

Astonishing how it hasn't taken off...

you must be dreaming again and spreading your garbage again.

You need to return to your mother country Germany and see how they do things there - quite different from the worlds number 1 DUMB country - Australia


Hey chimp

its fact look it up, I didn't pull this figure out of my arse.

Quote:
“More than US$70 billion of support is provided by governments to renewable energy production and consumption worldwide.”

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AH 70 billion WORLDWIDE - chicken droppings (a good investment anyway)

IMF put the tax payer contributions to the fossil fuel sectors at 1.9 TRILLION dollars per annum

And the 1.9 trillion does not include the cost of OIL wars and resource theft by the WEST - esp the US fascist corporate military rogue terrorist state clown freaks



Hey banana breath

Please provide a link to where you're getting this information from...????
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Reply #32 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 4:55pm
 
Hey hairy arse

Where's your link..............?

So you claim to be a smart cookie so I want you to do the math for me if you don't mind.

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From information below.

The question is...???

If all fossil fuels provide 88% of the world's energy needs and from that figure coal provides 24% of the worlds energy needs, and all fossil fuels are subsidized to the tune of 1.9 trillion dollars world wide.

If renewables provide 7% of the world's energy needs and are also being subsidized at $70 billion dollars world wide.

1. How much of the fossil fuel subsidy does coal get?

2. If coal and renewables were to swap places in  terms of percentage of power supplied to the world.

What would be the new subsidy for renewable energy and the new subsidy for coal energy?


Hey banana breath, I get

1. 518 billion coal @ 24%

2. renewables 240 billion @ 24%
     coal          151 billion @ 7%

What did you estimate...........?????

Hey muso feel free to give me your estimates...or check mine if you dont mind!!!!

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Despite the promise of alternative energy sources — more appropriately called renewable energy, collectively they provide only about 7 percent of the world’s energy needs (Source: Energy Information Agency).

This means that fossil fuels, along with nuclear energy — a controversial, non-renewable energy source — are supplying 93 percent of the world’s energy resources.

Nuclear energy, which is primarily generated by splitting atoms, only provides 6 percent of the world’s energy supplies.

And it is not likely to be a major source of world energy consumption because of public pressure and the relative dangers associated with unleashing the power of the atom.

Yet, governments such as the United States see its vast potential and are placing pressure on the further exploitation of nuclear energy.

The total world energy demand is for about 400 quadrillion British Thermal Units — or BTUs — each year (Source: US Department of Energy).

That’s 400,000,000,000,000,000 BTUs!

A BTU is roughly equal to the energy and heat generated by a match.

Oil, coal and natural gas supply nearly 88 percent of the world’s energy needs, or about 350 quadrillion BTUs. Of this amount, oil is king, providing about 41 percent of the world’s total energy supplies, or about 164 quadrillion BTUs.

Coal provides 24 percent of the world’s energy, or 96 quadrillion BTUs, and natural gas provides the remaining 22 percent, or 88 quadrillion BTUs.


http://www.ecology.com/2011/09/06/fossil-fuels-vs-renewable-energy-resources/

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Reply #33 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Hey Ajax,

70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?

Really? As much as the total health budget?

Astonishing how it hasn't taken off...

you must be dreaming again and spreading your garbage again.

You need to return to your mother country Germany and see how they do things there - quite different from the worlds number 1 DUMB country - Australia


Of all the fantastic things done in Germany, wind power aint one. The hangover from the fantasy of WIND power is gonna be epic. If for one moment you opened your eyes you may just see the reality. Mr & Mrs Sauerkraut are not happy with their power bills, I expect another frigid winter will just about cement the simmering discontent they are feeling.


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Reply #34 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:18pm
 
Rider wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 5:12pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:35pm:
Hey Ajax,

70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?

Really? As much as the total health budget?

Astonishing how it hasn't taken off...

you must be dreaming again and spreading your garbage again.

You need to return to your mother country Germany and see how they do things there - quite different from the worlds number 1 DUMB country - Australia


Of all the fantastic things done in Germany, wind power aint one. The hangover from the fantasy of WIND power is gonna be epic. If for one moment you opened your eyes you may just see the reality. Mr & Mrs Sauerkraut are not happy with their power bills, I expect another frigid winter will just about cement the simmering discontent they are feeling.




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Not much more than the price in Australia, and the Germans are not exactly poor.
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Reply #35 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:18pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:35pm:
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70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?
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You might like to wash your hands. There's no telling what orifice Nova pulled that figure from.

As far as I can tell, she's comparing global renewables subsidies to Australian fossil fuel subsidies. According to Nova, the IEA puts fossil fuel subsidies at ten times those for renewables. The Guardian says it's 5 times.
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Reply #36 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:46pm
 
# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
As far as I can tell, she's comparing global renewables subsidies to Australian fossil fuel subsidies. According to Nova, the IEA puts fossil fuel subsidies at ten times those for renewables. The Guardian says it's 5 times.


Now why doesn't that surprise me? Joanne Nova lying.... again?
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Reply #37 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:09pm
 
Estimated global subsidies and grants handed to fossil fuel sectors per year

1.9 trillion - IMF
1.42 trillion - World Coal Association
1.3 trillion - EA
1.14 trillion - estimate based on report
950 Billion - EU
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Reply #38 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:12pm
 
# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 3:35pm:
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70 billion in subsidies per year for renewable energy in Australia?
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You might like to wash your hands. There's no telling what orifice Nova pulled that figure from.

As far as I can tell, she's comparing global renewables subsidies to Australian fossil fuel subsidies. According to Nova, the IEA puts fossil fuel subsidies at ten times those for renewables. The Guardian says it's 5 times.


muso wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:46pm:
# wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 6:18pm:
As far as I can tell, she's comparing global renewables subsidies to Australian fossil fuel subsidies. According to Nova, the IEA puts fossil fuel subsidies at ten times those for renewables. The Guardian says it's 5 times.


Now why doesn't that surprise me? Joanne Nova lying.... again?



Quite typical of the alarmist camp to distort sentences.

When are you guys going to grow up and face reality.

chimp said that not Jo.

If you care to take a look.
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Reply #39 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:13pm
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:09pm:
Estimated global subsidies and grants handed to fossil fuel sectors per year

1.9 trillion - IMF
1.42 trillion - World Coal Association
1.3 trillion - EA
1.14 trillion - estimate based on report
950 Billion - EU


it would be really nice to attach a source..??????
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Reply #40 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:27pm
 
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http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&...

ofcourse none of you guys would post something like this so I thought I would do the honors chumps.

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$12 kWh Electricity In South Australia - What Happened?

The wholesale price of electricity in South Australia recently shot up to $12,100 per megawatt hour at one point - just over $12 a kilowatt hour. How did this occur?
   
According to AdelaideNow, the official story is between Saturday June 1 and Monday June 3, all wind generation in South Australia ceased due to weather conditions. The effect was compounded by other power generation units being offline or operating under reduced output. Additionally, the Murraylink interconnector that transmits power from Victoria was also out of action for a period due to a cable fault.

http://www.energymatters.com.au/index.php?main_page=news_article&article_id=3795
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Reply #41 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:34pm
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:12pm:
chimp said that not Jo.

If you care to take a look.


I had a look. This is what the headline was:

Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables...


Which government? Well she's an Australian confusionalist, so one would think she's spreading disinformation about Australia. It's only if we go further down the  text  that we find out that it's actually a worldwide figure.
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Reply #42 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:36pm
 
muso wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:34pm:
Ajax wrote on Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:12pm:
chimp said that not Jo.

If you care to take a look.


I had a look. This is what the headline was:

Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables...


Which government? Well she's an Australian confusionalist, so one would think she's spreading disinformation about Australia. It's only if we go further down the  text  that we find out that it's actually a worldwide figure.


This is what I first posted at the bottom of the previous page........????????

Strange that you see only what you want to see....????

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“More than US$70 billion of support is provided by governments to renewable energy production and consumption worldwide.”

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/energy-iea-gas-idUKL5E8KD4ZJ20120913



Ok a lilttle bit further up on that previous page I posted this,

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Government burn $70 billion a year subsidizing renewables, and wild claims of “fossil fuel subsidies” debunked


http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/government-burn-70-billion-a-year-subsidizing-r...


if you follow the link it shows the quote.
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Reply #43 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:41pm
 
I'm just pointing out the headline that Joanne Nova chose in order to create most confusion. (It's her specialty)

The Reuters site that you quoted is quite correct.
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Reply #44 - Oct 31st, 2013 at 7:44pm
 
did you guys miss this or you're just avoiding it....?????

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The question is...???

If all fossil fuels provide 88% of the world's energy needs and from that figure coal provides 24% of the worlds energy needs, and all fossil fuels are subsidized to the tune of 1.9 trillion dollars world wide.

If renewables provide 7% of the world's energy needs and are also being subsidized at $70 billion dollars world wide.

1. How much of the fossil fuel subsidy does coal get?

2. If coal and renewables were to swap places in  terms of percentage of power supplied to the world.

What would be the new subsidy for renewable energy and the new subsidy for coal energy?


1. 518 billion coal @ 24%

2. renewables 240 billion @ 24%
     coal          151 billion @ 7%

What did you estimate...........?????
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