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Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:36pm
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:21am:
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What about all the migrating birds........????

Will wind mills affect them........!!!!!!!!

Ajax' question intrigued me. As usual, the answer isn't simple.

Do Wind Farms Really Kill Birds?

29 Oct 2013

By Bill King, Lynn Trakell and Emma Bennett

Wind farms are usually accused of making people sick. Now critics claim they also threaten endangered birds. Bill King, Emma Bennett and Lynn Trakell debunk another wind farm myth

The 2013 Victorian duck hunting season began in March with an illegal all-species shoot-up at the Box Flat wetland near the small town of Boort. An informant told the Coalition Against Duck Shooting that around 2000 birds were killed, including around 80 Freckled Ducks (an endangered species), and many other species that could not conceivably have been mistaken for ducks.

A week later, a group from the coalition conducted a two hour search at Box Flat and found 43 dead Freckled Ducks and a total of 156 carcasses, along with 13 wounded birds, which were taken into care. The Department of Primary Industry later reported finding 915 bird carcasses at Box Flat, of which 760 were “game” species.

There are two good arguments against duck hunting that tend to persuade many who accept – or at least tolerate – other kinds of hunting: that it further threatens a number of already endangered species and that it is a particularly cruel sport, with around a quarter of the birds surviving being shot, some later dying of their injuries.

That same concern for animal welfare has entered, honestly or otherwise, into the debate over renewables. If we’re concerned about hunting deaths, shouldn’t we also worry about bird strike at wind farms?

Some readers, commenting on The Age’s story about Box Flat, ran that line:

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    "How many thousands of birds of all shapes and sizes do the wind farms kill each year? strange that the age doesn't report this ....."

A few weeks later, the ABC’s Occam’s Razor science program ran a segment by Sue Taylor, a Melbourne naturalist and author, that took a similar tack:

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    "As Australia pushes to meet its Mandatory Renewable Energy Targets, wind farms are proliferating across the country…. But overseas experience shows that thousands of rare birds are being killed by turbines each year, and no one has a solution to the problem."

We agree entirely with calls to value our birdlife more highly – especially threatened species. Whether environmentalists are devaluing our birdlife and treating it as disposable in their blinkered pursuit of clean energy is another matter.

While the Victorian state government has been quite unmoved by the arguments against duck hunting, it has found the arguments against wind power persuasive. Victorian planning laws for wind farms are among the most restrictive in the country.

Unlike the claims that wind power causes illness among people living close to wind farms, claims that wind turbines kill birds and bats do have a basis in fact. The causal process is very straightforward — birds and bats fly into the rotating blades or towers and are killed stone dead.

However, unlike many wind farm critics, we insist that in deciding matters of acceptability, the likely number of deaths does matter. So does relativity with other human activities which impinge on nature — particularly different means of generating electricity — and their impact on birdlife.

So far as we know, no authoritative estimate has yet been made of the total number of birds and bats killed each year in either Victoria or Australia as a whole by collisions with wind turbines.

Emma Bennett, one of the authors of this article, has conducted over 5500 surveys at six wind farms in Victoria. Her data is consistent with less than one bird being killed per turbine per year. The bulk of published studies from overseas are also consistent with these figures. She also found no rare or threatened species killed by wind farms.

Further, small wind farms, like the community wind farm in Leonards Hill, can report zero bird collisions, a finding which is consistent with similar sized wind farms overseas. The science strongly suggests that birds avoid flying through smaller wind farms and simply go around them.

As of the end of 2012, there were 454 turbines in operation in Victoria and 1559 across Australia. In other words, the probable number of birds killed by wind turbine collisions in Victoria for the whole of 2013 would be much lower than the number killed at Box Flat in a single morning of male bonding.

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Reply #1 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:37pm
 
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The picture does not change when we turn to the available evidence concerning impacts of wind energy on threatened species in Australia. Published studies by Cindy Hull, an avian ecologist with Hydro Tasmania, report the documented deaths of birds and bats at two wind farms in Tasmania. A total of 245 bird deaths and 54 bat deaths were documented over a 10 year period and the deaths were overwhelmingly from species classified as not under threat.

Wind energy has a much smaller impact on bird species than other forms of electricity generation. Benjamin Sovacool, a Danish energy policy researcher, reviewed available risk estimates and found that wind power and nuclear power produce 0.3-0.4 bird fatalities per gigawatt-hour of electricity produced, whereas fossil-fuel power produces 5.2 bird fatalities per gigawatt-hour of electricity produced.

As development of wind power in Victoria is displacing brown coal-fired electricity generation, there are good grounds for believing it is bringing relative benefits to birdlife on a state-wide basis.
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Reply #2 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 7:47pm
 
An edited transcript of an Ockham's Razor broadcast from 5 May 2013.

I have been involved in the investigation of the effect of wind farms on birds and bats for about 13 years at both Hydro Tasmania and Roaring 40s Renewable Energy. I work in this area due to my interest in birds, but also because I worry about our planet. I want to play my part (as small as it is) to reduce the catastrophic impacts of climate change and to protect species.

I have always had a fascination with wildlife, and I want to do my part to assist in its protection. I also love scientific research, in particular the testing of an idea, the challenge of designing a really good study, and perhaps most of all, the analysis of the data once it’s collected.

It’s exciting when you analyse data and see patterns emerge, particularly if they are unexpected. It is particularly surprising when an expected effect is not supported by the evidence, which challenges our assumptions and paradigms. But that’s science—it is designed to be objective.

A good study aims to tease out real patterns from the 'noise', and to make sure that results are not affected by our biases, expectations or other factors. We seek to identify the meaningful trends, the real effects, and let the data speak for itself.

I believe that the best way we can protect our wildlife is to conduct robust scientific research to understand the ecology of a species, the impacts it might be suffering and to investigate if there is anything we can do to minimise the impacts.   

We have been investigating the effect on birds and bats of the Bluff Point and Studland Bay Wind Farms in north-west Tasmania. We have conducted many studies, from monitoring required as part of our State and Commonwealth permits, to targeted studies that we have initiated to try to understand a specific issue, or where possible, to reduce an impact that has been documented.

We have learnt a lot in the last ten years at these wind farms.

Not all species of bird are at equal risk of collision with turbines. We’ve found that only about 20 per cent of the species present at these wind farms are involved in collisions with turbines. The vast majority of collisions involve birds colliding with moving turbine blades, and those at risk are the ones that spend time in the region that the blades move (which is called the rotor swept area).

Modern turbines have a rotor swept area of between 65-115m, meaning the blades sweep through the zone from about 35-125m above the ground, so any birds that don’t fly in this zone are very unlikely to collide (such as those that are only present in trees or shrubs).

Bird collisions with turbines are statistically rare events. What we need to know is whether the number of collisions that do occur could be having a negative impact on the conservation status of a species—that is, will it be pushed closer to extinction?

Similar to birds, there are specific features that make some bat species more at risk of collision. The primary factor again is whether the bat is present in the rotor swept area of turbines.

We have done a lot of work studying how eagles respond to the presence of turbines. A three-year observational study we conducted at these wind farms found that eagles adjust their movements through the wind farm once turbines are installed. They also alter their behaviour in response to whether the turbines were active or not, and under different weather conditions.

The key finding was that eagles demonstrated an awareness of the turbines, and usually actively avoided them.

One of our key areas of current research is determining what are the factors involved in collision risk. Only by understanding these factors can we hope to develop strategies to reduce the risk. 

There is a lot of research into the effect of wind turbines on birds and bats around the world. Until relatively recently, much of this research wasn’t published in the peer-reviewed literature. That’s not to say that the research hasn’t been thorough and appropriate, it just means that it hasn’t passed a formal peer-review process, which provides a layer of credibility. Also, sometimes this material is difficult to access, unlike that in scientific journals.

Part of my job is to keep abreast of all this research. It can be daunting, as there is a lot being done around the world. There are now some excellent scientific conferences held each year on the topic of birds and bats and wind farms, and this sharing of knowledge and findings is critical to the scientific process.

It’s interesting that while some of the issues found at wind farms are the same around the world, some are not. It’s important to remember that assuming what someone found at one site will automatically be found at another doesn’t constitute good science; assumptions need to be tested or strategies trialled.

While a lot has been learnt about wind farm effects, there is more to be learnt. 

Unfortunately in the area of wind farms there is a lot of misinformation and myths, even when scientific evidence exists. Inaccurate information or myths do not progress understanding or, in fact, save species. In my view it only muddies the water, distracts focus and wastes time.

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One of the myths that I regularly encounter is that it is predominantly raptors that are at risk of collision with turbines.

Yes, there are some wind farms that have demonstrated impacts to raptors, but there are a number that don’t. Further, what we found at our sites is that not all raptors are equally affected. Raptors are one of the groups of birds that are often the focus of the community—but that might be more about human perceptions and emotions than what the evidence shows.

We need to be careful that focusing on one group doesn’t result in us being blinded to impacts on other groups. Instead, we need to objectively view the results of robust scientific studies to see if species or populations are being significantly impacted.

Wind farms are one of the few sources of impacts to birds and bats that are being systematically monitored. Most other forms of energy generation do not monitor impacts. Nor do we have widespread systematic monitoring of all the other human-related activities that we inflict on species—such as collisions with cars, powerlines, windows, poisoning, shooting, pollution, etc.

No data does not mean no impacts, it means no data.

Although it varies across jurisdictions, State and Commonwealth regulators often require that the wind industry intensely monitor its impacts.

We support and endorse these monitoring and reporting requirements, but it has led to the incorrect perception that this is the only industry that has impacts. I think it’s our duty to determine the range of impacts on birds from all sources, determine which are the most significant and try to reduce them. Finally, it is important that the facts—derived from robust scientific studies—are communicated and that we’re not simply perpetuating myths and misinformation. It’s the least we can do.

Dr Cindy Hull works for Hydro Tasmania and studies the way birds and wind farms interact.
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Reply #4 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:13pm
 
Great post CrissCross
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Reply #5 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 9:30pm
 
How much impact do motor vehicles have on bird life?
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Reply #6 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 10:00pm
 
Wind Turbines are relatively slow moving - they aren't jet engines.

Birds also kill themselves when they strike aircraft, windows, vehicles, eat snail bait, etc

If bird fatalities were made a regulatory requirement for industry There wouldn't be many industries unaffected or even prevented from setting up.

Lets be reasonable folks

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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am
 
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets.
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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am
 
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
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Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)


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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:43am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
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Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)




Chump....just because you are feeling better one day doesn't mean you can stop taking your medication...ok???

Go and take your pills. Come back when the voices aren't so loud and confusing.




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Reply #11 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:50am
 
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:43am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
.


Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)




Chump....just because you are feeling better one day doesn't mean you can stop taking your medication...ok???

Go and take your pills. Come back when the voices aren't so loud and confusing.






OH WHATS WRONG MR RIDER?

Did you get exposed in public criticising the miniscule grants and subsidies given to renewable, responsible, sustainable and CLEAN energy options and forget to mention the ENORMOUS socialistic corporate welfare cheques handed out to the fossil fuel and mining sectors WHICH ARE 83% foreign owned

You poor thing! I may need to take it easy on you from now on - you are intellectually defenceless after all you smelly freak!

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Reply #12 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:52am
 
That's bordering on personal insult. The point he's making is that we spend 10 billon dollars on subsidising corporations to buy fossil fuels. 

Wind turbines are private investments. They are mostly owned by large electricity generation concerns.

Now, if the voices in your head are not too strong, maybe you'd like to explain how it's affecting taxpayers?

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Reply #13 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:56am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:43am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
.


Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)




Chump....just because you are feeling better one day doesn't mean you can stop taking your medication...ok???

Go and take your pills. Come back when the voices aren't so loud and confusing.






OH WHATS WRONG MR RIDER?

Did you get exposed in public criticising the miniscule grants and subsidies given to renewable, responsible, sustainable and CLEAN energy options and forget to mention the ENORMOUS socialistic corporate welfare cheques handed out to the fossil fuel and mining sectors WHICH ARE 83% foreign owned

You poor thing! I may need to take it easy on you from now on - you are intellectually defenceless after all you smelly freak!



No please don't. Can you tell us all the cost of subsidies including research that has been spent on 'renewables' ?

If subsidies are BAD for fossil fuel, then it stands to reason they must be BAD for renewable energy sources as well.

Also, do you need an adult to help you with the tops of the pill bottles, sometimes they are 'child' proof, ask mummy or daddy to help if you need to.
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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 12:05pm
 
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:56am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:43am:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 11:08am:
Rider wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:47am:
Sort of agree. The 'bird choppers' probably don't kill a whole heap of birds as they are hopelessly idle for most of the time.

The only activity wind farms do with efficiency is suck tax dollars out of our wallets
.


Total tax payer subsidies in Australia for the supremely efficient FOSSIL FUEL and Mining sectors is over 10 Billion dollars per year (The coal sectors receiving about half of this socialist corporate welfare)

Globally the IMF estimates that 1.9 trillion dollars (US) per year is handed out to the fossil fuel sectors by the tax payers of the world. (this figure does not even include the cost of oil and energy driven WARS - you know the wars I am talking about don't you)

You were saying about subsidies?


(see what happens when you open up your ignorant ridiculous mouth in public?)




Chump....just because you are feeling better one day doesn't mean you can stop taking your medication...ok???

Go and take your pills. Come back when the voices aren't so loud and confusing.






OH WHATS WRONG MR RIDER?

Did you get exposed in public criticising the miniscule grants and subsidies given to renewable, responsible, sustainable and CLEAN energy options and forget to mention the ENORMOUS socialistic corporate welfare cheques handed out to the fossil fuel and mining sectors WHICH ARE 83% foreign owned

You poor thing! I may need to take it easy on you from now on - you are intellectually defenceless after all you smelly freak!



No please don't. Can you tell us all the cost of subsidies including research that has been spent on 'renewables' ?

If subsidies are BAD for fossil fuel, then it stands to reason they must be BAD for renewable energy sources as well.

Also, do you need an adult to help you with the tops of the pill bottles, sometimes they are 'child' proof, ask mummy or daddy to help if you need to.


You didn't know that the fossil fuel and mining industries in Australia receive over 10 billion dolalrs per year in Subsidies and grants???

I agree with you - scrap ALL subsidies

Guess who will squeal the loudest MR RIDER?

Do your own research in who gets what if you're genuinely interested

But of course youre not.

We all know what sort of society youre interested in don't we Mr Rider you putrid clown stench freak
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