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Reply #30 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 10:32am

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....Once the Government starts to criticise the judiciary the system is failing and the integrity of the legal system is compromised.....Only in Queensland would this kind of thing happen!!! .....

judges are not above criticism.
they are public servants, not lords and masters.
they should pick up their game do do their job in a timely manner. Pontificating Slackers.

everyone I have talked to about the crackdown on bikies say "Excellent, well past time.

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Reply #31 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 12:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 9:03am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 8:59am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 8:42am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 8:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:49am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 7:47am:

An independent judiciary is a cornerstone of any free society.

When a politician starts meddling in that area, you are on a slippery slope.

Newman is starting to look more like Joh every day. His law and order posturing is a bid for the red neck vote. Don't know why he bothers, he's got it already.

His government claims the Queensland economy is a basket case. If so, then that should be taking up his time rather than interfering with the courts.

Newman was just expressing the sentiments of the vast majority of law-abiding QLDer's. That's hardly meddling, otherwise the judiciary would never get any cases heard for all the shock-jocks and opinion pieces in the media...

Questioning court decisions and telling judges how to act IS meddling.

What proof can you provide that Newman "is expressing the views of the vast majority of law abiding QLDers"? Talk back radio?

And what proof can you provide that he is not?
The vast majority of law abiding Queenslanders do expect that our streets should be kept safe from criminals and to suggest otherwise is just silly.
The judge needs to put away his tiara.

if you cant handle criticism then you have no business being a judge.

If you cannot accept the independence of the judiciary you have no business being a Premier.....Once the Government starts to criticise the judiciary the system is failing and the integrity of the legal system is compromised.....Only in Queensland would this kind of thing happen!!!

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you mean that it is improper to CRITICSE the judiciary???? Isnt the very nature of our democracy built upon the freedom to express opinion and dissent? As long as the govt doesn't actively interfere with the independence of the judiciary then the right to criticise should be not only permitted but defended.

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Reply #32 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:53pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 9:38am:

What proof can you provide that Newman "is expressing the views of the vast majority of law abiding QLDers"?

I think the result of the last election provides that proof...

Then you are wrong.

People vote the way they do for a wide variety of reasons. Did Newman promise before the election that he would allow police to invade private property for the sole reason that it is HQ for a club?

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Reply #33 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:33pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:53pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 9:38am:

What proof can you provide that Newman "is expressing the views of the vast majority of law abiding QLDers"?

I think the result of the last election provides that proof...

Then you are wrong.

People vote the way they do for a wide variety of reasons. Did Newman promise before the election that he would allow police to invade private property for the sole reason that it is HQ for a club?

they are crims.

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Reply #34 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 4:20pm

This is the bit that Standup comics will use in their club routines for quite awhile now ...

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Justice Fryberg said he was troubled by the comments, which he said could put the public's perception of justice at risk.

"... at risk".

Someone should gently take him aside and update him on the 'public's perception' of how the courts are treating the convicted offenders with 'suspended' sentences or grossly inadequate sentencing.

The guy is obviously so divorced from the mainstream that he's been living in an Ivory Tower for yonkers.

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Reply #35 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 4:31pm

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you mean that it is improper to CRITICSE the judiciary???? Isnt the very nature of our democracy built upon the freedom to express opinion and dissent? As long as the govt doesn't actively interfere with the independence of the judiciary then the right to criticise should be not only permitted but defended.

And that is where Canbull has transgressed. At the very time during pending proceedings about granting bail to a bike, the Premier made public statements that he expected the Court to put into effect the intent of the Government.

That put the Judge under active interference because if he refuses to grant bail, (based on the Law and the evidence......NOT the Government's intent) it still leaves the Court open to logical public perception that it is no longer independent, and has become the stamp licker for Government in implementing government policy, rather than the Law.

Again.........separation of powers. It is a simple concept easily taken for granted and it is only when fascists like Joh the Jerk and Canbull think they own the Judges that Joe Blow ever gets to hear about it.

Nothing final out of today's activities in Court (that I've heard) but do not expect Fryberg to back off. He is getting universal support where it counts, and that is a no brainer because he is 100% right.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38863 Gender:	Re: Fire George Fryberg Reply #37 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:11pm Fryberg holds firm and puts a permanent stay on the DPP's application for review of the Magistrate's bail decision. (In effect, leaves the bikie on bail.) So.....back to you Canbull, you little nazi schit, the ball's now firmly back in your court. This is gonna be ground breaking stuff. Well done Fryberg J.
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Reply #38 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:13pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Fryberg holds firm and puts a permanent stay on the DPP's application for review of the Magistrate's bail decision. (In effect, leaves the bikie on bail.)

So.....back to you Canbull, you little nazi schit, the ball's now firmly back in your court.

This is gonna be ground breaking stuff.

Well done Fryberg J.

hope some bikies sell a bad batch of speed to the judges kids . might wise the prick up. Wink

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Reply #39 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:17pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Fryberg holds firm and puts a permanent stay on the DPP's application for review of the Magistrate's bail decision. (In effect, leaves the bikie on bail.)

So.....back to you Canbull, you little nazi schit, the ball's now firmly back in your court.

This is gonna be ground breaking stuff.

Well done Fryberg J.

hope some bikies sell a bad batch of speed to the judges kids . might wise the prick up. Wink

Turn it up. Surely you understand that is not the point of this debate which has now become a significant constitutional clash?

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Reply #40 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 10:20pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Fryberg holds firm and puts a permanent stay on the DPP's application for review of the Magistrate's bail decision. (In effect, leaves the bikie on bail.)

So.....back to you Canbull, you little nazi schit, the ball's now firmly back in your court.

This is gonna be ground breaking stuff.

Well done Fryberg J.

hope some bikies sell a bad batch of speed to the judges kids . might wise the prick up. Wink

Turn it up. Surely you understand that is not the point of this debate which has now become a significant constitutional clash?

You're joking.

On this topic both Herbert and aqua remind me of the dinosaur whose brain was so small it was only barely aware it was alive.

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Reply #41 - Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:12am

Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:53pm:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 9:38am:

What proof can you provide that Newman "is expressing the views of the vast majority of law abiding QLDers"?

I think the result of the last election provides that proof...

Then you are wrong.

People vote the way they do for a wide variety of reasons. Did Newman promise before the election that he would allow police to invade private property for the sole reason that it is HQ for a club?

that's a bit disingenuous, isn't it? it isn't a 'club' but rather HQ for a violent criminal gang. and police 'invade' private property with warrants all the time. It is hardly new. The only difference now is that the police ill no longer be intimidated by fortifications, weaponry and bikers the size of king kong

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Reply #42 - Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:17am

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 4:31pm:

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you mean that it is improper to CRITICSE the judiciary???? Isnt the very nature of our democracy built upon the freedom to express opinion and dissent? As long as the govt doesn't actively interfere with the independence of the judiciary then the right to criticise should be not only permitted but defended.

And that is where Canbull has transgressed. At the very time during pending proceedings about granting bail to a bike, the Premier made public statements that he expected the Court to put into effect the intent of the Government.

That put the Judge under active interference because if he refuses to grant bail, (based on the Law and the evidence......NOT the Government's intent) it still leaves the Court open to logical public perception that it is no longer independent, and has become the stamp licker for Government in implementing government policy, rather than the Law.

Again.........separation of powers. It is a simple concept easily taken for granted and it is only when fascists like Joh the Jerk and Canbull think they own the Judges that Joe Blow ever gets to hear about it.

Nothing final out of today's activities in Court (that I've heard) but do not expect Fryberg to back off. He is getting universal support where it counts, and that is a no brainer because he is 100% right.

I understand your point and frankly I think Campbell should have been quiet but that's not the point. The judge is acting like a spineless cretin. the way you deal with government commentary that is inappropriate is to IGNORE IT and behave as if it had not even happened. It isn't a breach of separation of powers at all; it is just a silly and inappropriate comment to which a judge had a hissy fit. But by allowing those comments to affect his judgment he proves the point that he is unable to operate independently.

Like I said before, here in SA we have been thru this all before with the Rann govt constantly criticising and commenting on judges. the judiciary however simply continued to be quiet and to judge as they always had - independently. however, when the A-G went one step too far and defamed the Chief justice they sued him for defamation (and won).

Independence is something that still has to be fought for on a regular basis. This judge failed that test miserably.

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Reply #43 - Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:18am

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 4:31pm:

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you mean that it is improper to CRITICSE the judiciary???? Isnt the very nature of our democracy built upon the freedom to express opinion and dissent? As long as the govt doesn't actively interfere with the independence of the judiciary then the right to criticise should be not only permitted but defended.

And that is where Canbull has transgressed. At the very time during pending proceedings about granting bail to a bike, the Premier made public statements that he expected the Court to put into effect the intent of the Government.

That put the Judge under active interference because if he refuses to grant bail, (based on the Law and the evidence......NOT the Government's intent) it still leaves the Court open to logical public perception that it is no longer independent, and has become the stamp licker for Government in implementing government policy, rather than the Law.

Again.........separation of powers. It is a simple concept easily taken for granted and it is only when fascists like Joh the Jerk and Canbull think they own the Judges that Joe Blow ever gets to hear about it.

Nothing final out of today's activities in Court (that I've heard) but do not expect Fryberg to back off. He is getting universal support where it counts, and that is a no brainer because he is 100% right.

you mean among a handful of other judges without balls??

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Reply #44 - Nov 1^st, 2013 at 7:48am

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Fryberg holds firm and puts a permanent stay on the DPP's application for review of the Magistrate's bail decision. (In effect, leaves the bikie on bail.)

So.....back to you Canbull, you little nazi schit, the ball's now firmly back in your court.

This is gonna be ground breaking stuff.

Well done Fryberg J.

hope some bikies sell a bad batch of speed to the judges kids . might wise the prick up. Wink

Turn it up. Surely you understand that is not the point of this debate which has now become a significant constitutional clash?

it isn't constitutional at all. it is an EGO clash. and what suffers? JUSTICE. why is it that whenever there is this kind of crazy crap going on you don't even have to think about where it is - it is always QLD. is it the heat or the humidity or something in the water? any other judge anywhere else in the country would have done his job without acting like a petulant child.

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