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Oct 30th, 2013 at 6:48pm
 

Give him the sack. He is a big noter who drags cases out at OUR expense.
Now he is endangering us.

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Today a Brisbane Supreme Court judge adjourned an alleged bikie's bail hearing because of Mr Newman's recent comments that judges should recognise that the community wanted "protection", and should act accordingly.

Justice George Fryberg questioned whether he should hear the DPP's application to revoke 25-year-old Jared Kevin Anthony Brown's bail.

The judge quoted that quoted Mr Newman as saying thathe wanted the Queensland judiciary to act to "protect the community".

Judge says 'it's essential justice be seen to be done', claims Newman's comments compromise that

Justice Fryberg said he was troubled by the comments, which he said could put the public's perception of justice at risk.

"Before I commence hearing this case, I need to know whether the report reflects what the Premier said about this case and whether the DPP reflects that view, or whether they have withdrawn it," he said.

"It is essential in our system that justice be seen to be done.

"If we hear remarks on the record that are not withdrawn, it would be very difficult for members of the public to avoid the conclusion that the court was bending to the will of the government ... justice would not be seen to be done.

"The difficulty I see is the application is being brought by the Government ... the Government's principal spokesman has publicly told the court what the outcome should be."

Adjourning the DPP's application to have the bail decision reviewed, Justice Fryberg asked the DPP to determine whether the media reports of Mr Newman's coments were accurate, whether the Premier had withdrawn what he said, and if not, whether the court ought to hear the matter or stay it indefinitely.

Newman refused to back down in parliament this afternoon

Mr Newman's government has recently pushed through tough new laws aimed at closing down bikie gangs and giving itself the power to rule on whether sex offenders should stay behind bars.

And the Premier refused to back down in state parliament this afternoon, saying he had never commented on specific cases.

"My comments are reflecting what the people of Queensland are saying and thinking," he said.

"My comments are backed by Queenslanders who want the judiciary to listen to them. That's what we're asking [them] to do."

Mr Newman said he was not the first senior politician to question court decisions, and said many Labor politicians had made "direct personal attacks on judges".

"Peter Beattie had a tougher go at the judges... Judy Spence had a bigger go at judges, Anna Bligh had a bigger go at judges, the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Australia had a bigger go at judges," he said.

'Courts could grind to halt' says Labor

Earlier Opposition Leader Annastacia Palaszczuk warned the state's legal system could be at risk if Mr Newman did not back down.

"I expect the Premier to stand up [in parliament] and withdraw his comments unreservedly, and apologise to the courts for these attacks," she said.

"Otherwise our courts will grind to a halt.

"Today is a wake-up call for the Premier."

The bail hearing will return to court tomorrow.


http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19605699/newman-unrepentant-after-judge-adjourns-alle...
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Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:17pm
 
This is exactly what happens when an extreme politician starts meddling with the judiciary.

Newman is a very dangerous man.
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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:20pm
 
A judge must judge whether or not the law being applied is LEGAL in and of itself. That is their duty.

For those who missed it - I have proudly put out an assertion on the fundamental difference between three things - legislation, law and Law.

legislation is what is passed through a house of parliament.

law is what is put into the legal system to seek validation of this legislation.

Law is the final determination of the status of that legislation in regard to Law - i.e. whether or not that legislation passes the Rule of Law.

You may recall the attempt to imprison a foreign born doctor here - Dr Haneef, under legislation set in place by the Federal Government, over his ownership of a mobile phone traced to a terrorist suspect.

The government set in train draconian measures that would have seen him imprisoned as an associate of known terrorists.

The Court struck it down.

Do you see the comparison here yet?

A Judge, acting on the Rule of Law, has every right to place a motion from the government on temporary hold, so as to allow the government to consider its position under Law, and hopefully to permit that government to come to the proper Legal decision.

This is a position of moderation taken by a Judge where there is a plain conflict between legislation and Law, and is certainly not cause for vilification.

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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:40pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
This is exactly what happens when an extreme politician starts meddling with the judiciary.

Newman is a very dangerous man.


it was a hissy fit by the judge.  it is precisely the judges job to do the right thing despite any pollies comments and by allowing himself to be influenced he is breaching those guidelines and conventions.  the bail application should be heard regardless of external commentary.  if he cant do it then he should excuse himself from the case.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:42pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:20pm:
A judge must judge whether or not the law being applied is LEGAL in and of itself. That is their duty.

For those who missed it - I have proudly put out an assertion on the fundamental difference between three things - legislation, law and Law.

legislation is what is passed through a house of parliament.

law is what is put into the legal system to seek validation of this legislation.

Law is the final determination of the status of that legislation in regard to Law - i.e. whether or not that legislation passes the Rule of Law.

You may recall the attempt to imprison a foreign born doctor here - Dr Haneef, under legislation set in place by the Federal Government, over his ownership of a mobile phone traced to a terrorist suspect.

The government set in train draconian measures that would have seen him imprisoned as an associate of known terrorists.

The Court struck it down.

Do you see the comparison here yet?

A Judge, acting on the Rule of Law, has every right to place a motion from the government on temporary hold, so as to allow the government to consider its position under Law, and hopefully to permit that government to come to the proper Legal decision.

This is a position of moderation taken by a Judge where there is a plain conflict between legislation and Law, and is certainly not cause for vilification.



not altogether accurate.  while an atrocious thing, it was the AFP aka keystone cops that put 200 cops on the case for a year before recognising that there was zero connection.  $8M cost and no outcome.  a law student could have worked that out in 24 hours.  Mind you, cops are not known for their brains.
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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:51pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:40pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
This is exactly what happens when an extreme politician starts meddling with the judiciary.

Newman is a very dangerous man.


it was a hissy fit by the judge.  it is precisely the judges job to do the right thing despite any pollies comments and by allowing himself to be influenced he is breaching those guidelines and conventions.  the bail application should be heard regardless of external commentary.  if he cant do it then he should excuse himself from the case.


Wot?  And you reckon the Judge to whom the hospital pass is given will not do exactly the same?  I can guarantee they will, unless of course you reckon a politician will now select which puppet Judge will do his bidding.  Said Judge does not exist.

Public commentary of the kind Canbull is engaged in, and is encouraging, WHILE relevant decisions are being made is what the Judiciary cannot accept lest their decisions be seen as made not according to Law, but as some political demagogue requires.

Rule of Law/Separation of Powers.

Look them up.
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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:03pm
 
http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/dr_mohamed_haneef/

"On appeal, Justice Spender held that the Minister had misconstrued the provisions of the character test and therefore failed to apply it correctly. "

Now - it could be argue that what we are dealing with here in terms of bail is a 'character test' - very much in the same vein.

Your thoughts?

The issue still remains - the Judge has a duty to give both sides (??) the chance to attain a satisfactory solution, and by adjourning the matter in this way, Fryberg has clearly said 'sit down and talk' or 'go away and think'.

Happens a lot.

Time For A Little Levity:-  Should have been titled:- 

Fry George Fryberg!
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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:06pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/dr_mohamed_haneef/

The issue still remains - the Judge has a duty to give both sides (??) the chance to attain a satisfactory solution, and by adjourning the matter in this way, Fryberg has clearly said 'sit down and talk'.

Happens a lot.


Not ever.  This is ground breaking Constitutional stuff.  Unique anywhere in any Democracy where the Westminster system is in place.

This is a direct confrontation between the Government and the Judiciary.............two pillars which must be kept separate for your sake.

Your freedom is at stake.
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:10pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:06pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/dr_mohamed_haneef/

The issue still remains - the Judge has a duty to give both sides (??) the chance to attain a satisfactory solution, and by adjourning the matter in this way, Fryberg has clearly said 'sit down and talk'.

Happens a lot.


Not ever.  This is ground breaking Constitutional stuff.  Unique anywhere in any Democracy where the Westminster system is in place.

This is a direct confrontation between the Government and the Judiciary.............two pillars which must be kept separate for your sake.

Your freedom is at stake.


I'm well aware of that - as I've stated several times already, even calling this The Longest Day in terms of whether or not we go down the path of politicial Uberkontrol here in Oz.

Our freedom has been at stake here in Oz for a very long time - hence my assertions on many related issues over the past many years - twenty plus.

I'm simply trying to discuss the ins and outs of it here, not the social impact in isolation.

By adjourning the matter, the matter remains unresolved, and the person remains free at this time.  It is plain that the Judge does not agree with the DPP over this matter of law (not Law).

I've stated many times that it is a duty of courts to properly ACT on law and determine whether or not it is Law.  He is leaving it wide open for the DPP to come back and withdraw or modify their motion.
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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:36pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:06pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/dr_mohamed_haneef/

The issue still remains - the Judge has a duty to give both sides (??) the chance to attain a satisfactory solution, and by adjourning the matter in this way, Fryberg has clearly said 'sit down and talk'.

Happens a lot.


Not ever.  This is ground breaking Constitutional stuff.  Unique anywhere in any Democracy where the Westminster system is in place.

This is a direct confrontation between the Government and the Judiciary.............two pillars which must be kept separate for your sake.

Your freedom is at stake.


I'm well aware of that - as I've stated several times already, even calling this The Longest Day in terms of whether or not we go down the path of politicial Uberkontrol here in Oz.

Our freedom has been at stake here in Oz for a very long time - hence my assertions on many related issues over the past many years - twenty plus.

I'm simply trying to discuss the ins and outs of it here, not the social impact in isolation.

By adjourning the matter, the matter remains unresolved, and the person remains free at this time.  It is plain that the Judge does not agree with the DPP over this matter of law (not Law).

I've stated many times that it is a duty of courts to properly ACT on law and determine whether or not it is Law.  He is leaving it wide open for the DPP to come back and withdraw or modify their motion.


This morning, Fryberg adjourned it (a request by the DPP to review a decision made in a lower Court to bail a bikie) from today to tomorrow so that the DPP could then (tomorrow) inform him whether the politician had withdrawn his offensive remarks.

This afternoon, the politician made it plain he stood by the remarks Fryberg found intolerable.

If, when the matter returns before Fryberg tomorrow the situation remains the same...........well, Fryberg will do what he said he would...............and that is 'permanently stay' the DPP's request for that review.

The practical affect of that is....the bikie stays on the bail he was given, and if the politician does not like it, he takes it on appeal and that will end up in the High Court where Canbull will have his nazi nuts kicked.
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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:56pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:51pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:40pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 7:17pm:
This is exactly what happens when an extreme politician starts meddling with the judiciary.

Newman is a very dangerous man.


it was a hissy fit by the judge.  it is precisely the judges job to do the right thing despite any pollies comments and by allowing himself to be influenced he is breaching those guidelines and conventions.  the bail application should be heard regardless of external commentary.  if he cant do it then he should excuse himself from the case.


Wot?  And you reckon the Judge to whom the hospital pass is given will not do exactly the same?  I can guarantee they will, unless of course you reckon a politician will now select which puppet Judge will do his bidding.  Said Judge does not exist.

Public commentary of the kind Canbull is engaged in, and is encouraging, WHILE relevant decisions are being made is what the Judiciary cannot accept lest their decisions be seen as made not according to Law, but as some political demagogue requires.

Rule of Law/Separation of Powers.

Look them up.


you should look them up first since you seem to be unaware of what they are.  there is a difference between separation of powers and separation of OPINION!!

the judge is not in any way unduly influenced to do his job. He does however have a chip on his shoulder and needs to get a set.
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Reply #11 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:06pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/dr_mohamed_haneef/

The issue still remains - the Judge has a duty to give both sides (??) the chance to attain a satisfactory solution, and by adjourning the matter in this way, Fryberg has clearly said 'sit down and talk'.

Happens a lot.


Not ever.  This is ground breaking Constitutional stuff.  Unique anywhere in any Democracy where the Westminster system is in place.

This is a direct confrontation between the Government and the Judiciary.............two pillars which must be kept separate for your sake.

Your freedom is at stake.


the more you talk the less likely you are to have even been to law school.  your understanding of 'confrontation' is clearly different to the commonly held meaning.
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Reply #12 - Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:59pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:36pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:06pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/dr_mohamed_haneef/

The issue still remains - the Judge has a duty to give both sides (??) the chance to attain a satisfactory solution, and by adjourning the matter in this way, Fryberg has clearly said 'sit down and talk'.

Happens a lot.


Not ever.  This is ground breaking Constitutional stuff.  Unique anywhere in any Democracy where the Westminster system is in place.

This is a direct confrontation between the Government and the Judiciary.............two pillars which must be kept separate for your sake.

Your freedom is at stake.


I'm well aware of that - as I've stated several times already, even calling this The Longest Day in terms of whether or not we go down the path of politicial Uberkontrol here in Oz.

Our freedom has been at stake here in Oz for a very long time - hence my assertions on many related issues over the past many years - twenty plus.

I'm simply trying to discuss the ins and outs of it here, not the social impact in isolation.

By adjourning the matter, the matter remains unresolved, and the person remains free at this time.  It is plain that the Judge does not agree with the DPP over this matter of law (not Law).

I've stated many times that it is a duty of courts to properly ACT on law and determine whether or not it is Law.  He is leaving it wide open for the DPP to come back and withdraw or modify their motion.


This morning, Fryberg adjourned it (a request by the DPP to review a decision made in a lower Court to bail a bikie) from today to tomorrow so that the DPP could then (tomorrow) inform him whether the politician had withdrawn his offensive remarks.

This afternoon, the politician made it plain he stood by the remarks Fryberg found intolerable.

If, when the matter returns before Fryberg tomorrow the situation remains the same...........well, Fryberg will do what he said he would...............and that is 'permanently stay' the DPP's request for that review.

The practical affect of that is....the bikie stays on the bail he was given, and if the politician does not like it, he takes it on appeal and that will end up in the High Court where Canbull will have his nazi nuts kicked.


actually the judge will get his balls kicked.  the judge is expected to behave appropriately regardless of what is said.  The judge is failing a test of character.  we went thru all this and more in SA with the state ALP making fools of themselves over comments over judges here.  our judges however behaved with the kind of professional detachment that obviously QLD cannot muster.
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Voting begins now - who needs to swallow this medication -


Fryemberg or Neutman?




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Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 30th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
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Voting begins now - who needs to swallow this medication -


Fryemberg or Neutman?




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the judge needs to grow a set.
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