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The realities of govt . . .I suppose
Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:29pm

Federal Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce says the live export regulation system is working, despite new footage showing Australian sheep being mistreated in the Middle East. .. . .

.. . . .But Mr Joyce defended the supply chain safeguard.

"We have designed a system to try as much as we can to deal with this issue, so Australian sheep are not treated in this way," he said.

"What we also have to make sure is we don't overreact, there is a continual monitoring process, a process that deals with it."

Mr Joyce told a conference of beef and sheep producers and exporters in Townsville this morning that [highlight]the Government will scrap an independent animal welfare supervisor position which was promised by the former government to monitor the humane treatment of live exports.[/highlight]

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FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7395	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #1 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm Monitor the treatment of animals? I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.
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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #2 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:26pm Translation: We don't give a bugger We were made in Gods image & are the only sentient beings on this earth. Animals are here as our servants & food & sure a hell do not have souls or go to heaven therefore can be treated anyway without repercussions. Besides its a good little money spinner.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #3 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:43pm It's neither a good look nor a good policy. But Barnaby is right when he says you can't legislate or regulate for everything. Personally I would ban any live exports to third world countries that didn't comply with our standards and hope not to lynched by NT & Qld farmers.
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Reply #4 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Monitor the treatment of animals?

I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

same with our chickens.. Roll Eyes

do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast.

lets be realistic.. he who is

WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE.

thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales...

and dont get me started on our 'children' Angry

bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

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Reply #5 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:05pm

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Monitor the treatment of animals?

I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

same with our chickens.. Roll Eyes

do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast.

lets be realistic.. he who is

WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE.

thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales...

and dont get me started on our 'children' Angry

bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

no one is complaining about how they eat their sheep Cods, boiled fried or baked, no one cares ...

it's about how they kill them. We eat chickens, eggs and beef, but we never slit the beasts throat and wait for them to bleed out 2 hours later

having said that, I think once we sell them it is not our place to dictate to them how to treat them. You can either sell them and shut up, or not sell them. You can't have it both ways.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #6 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:10pm bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:43pm: Personally I would ban any live exports to third world countries that didn't comply with our standards I'D ban live exports - FULL STOP
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #7 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:11pm I guess you're a vegetarian then?
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Reply #8 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:23pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Monitor the treatment of animals?

I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

same with our chickens.. Roll Eyes

do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast.

lets be realistic.. he who is

WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE.

thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales...

and dont get me started on our 'children' Angry

bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

no one is complaining about how they eat their sheep Cods, boiled fried or baked, no one cares ...

it's about how they kill them. We eat chickens, eggs and beef, but we never slit the beasts throat and wait for them to bleed out 2 hours later

having said that, I think once we sell them it is not our place to dictate to them how to treat them. You can either sell them and shut up, or not sell them. You can't have it both ways.

go back and read it carefully.

I WAS REFERRING TO THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED DURING THEIR LIFETIME>..

not the way we bloody cook them when they are dead..

and I am not sure how our style of killing is anything that you would like to go through either????????

they stun pigs dont they then slit their throats whilst they are still breathing.??..

you obviously think traveling hundreds of kl from some cattle station out in the west in 40 deg heat in a truck, must be fun... Angry

at last we agree on something... do we stop doing business with other countries.. that treat their women and girls worse than cattle???????

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #9 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:24pm buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:10pm: bogarde73 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:43pm: Personally I would ban any live exports to third world countries that didn't comply with our standards I'D ban live exports - FULL STOP our standards AINT that HIGH...we just think they are.
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Reply #10 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:41pm

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Monitor the treatment of animals?

I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

same with our chickens.. Roll Eyes

do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast.

lets be realistic.. he who is

WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE.

thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales...

and dont get me started on our 'children' Angry

bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

Well the first step logically would be to ban live exports all together. After all, you are right when you say we can hardly criticise when our live export industry exploits for profit the ongoing cruel treatment of defenceless animals.

Whilst there is no dispute that our standards need to be constantly reviewed, moderated and improved upon - we can only exercise and demonstrate those practices with the animals that we own. In effect, we can put any kind of dressing around what happens in the Live Export Industry, but, once the money has changed hands it seems evident that so to does any influence of what happens to the Livestock and acts of extreme cruelty continue to be perpetrated.

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Reply #11 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Translation:

We don't give a bugger

We were made in Gods image & are the only sentient beings on this earth.

Animals are here as our servants & food & sure a hell do not have souls or go to heaven therefore can be treated anyway without repercussions.

Besides its a good little money spinner.

One a set of people get to play high horse on this, Vegans.

If you're not vegan i think you should STFU...... Lips Sealed

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Reply #12 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:48pm

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Translation:

We don't give a bugger

We were made in Gods image & are the only sentient beings on this earth.

Animals are here as our servants & food & sure a hell do not have souls or go to heaven therefore can be treated anyway without repercussions.

Besides its a good little money spinner.

One a set of people get to play high horse on this, Vegans.

If you're not vegan i think you should STFU...... Lips Sealed

Rather an odd stance to take.

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Reply #13 - Oct 31^st, 2013 at 4:07pm

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 3:00pm:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 31^st, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Monitor the treatment of animals?

I thought you'd just have to sit in the back with a semi load of sheep on a 40’C day. No need to go over seas.

same with our chickens.. Roll Eyes

do we care REALLY.. do we eat lamb? do we eat eggs? do we eat drug induced chickens that are artificially made to grow fast.

lets be realistic.. he who is

WITHOUT SIN SHALL CAST THE FIRST STONE.

thats why I dont condemn the Japanese for killing the whales...

and dont get me started on our 'children' Angry

bogy when we get our own backyard pristine..maybe then we can critise others.. maybe they are disgusted by our treatment of caged hens.or truck loads of cattle and sheep bouncing over many kilometers of unlevel highway... it isnt a happy ride to the docks either from what I have read..

no one is complaining about how they eat their sheep Cods, boiled fried or baked, no one cares ...

it's about how they kill them. We eat chickens, eggs and beef, but we never slit the beasts throat and wait for them to bleed out 2 hours later

having said that, I think once we sell them it is not our place to dictate to them how to treat them. You can either sell them and shut up, or not sell them. You can't have it both ways.

go back and read it carefully.

I WAS REFERRING TO THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED DURING THEIR LIFETIME>..

not the way we bloody cook them when they are dead..

and I am not sure how our style of killing is anything that you would like to go through either????????

they stun pigs dont they then slit their throats whilst they are still breathing.??..

I thought they got a metal rod straight through the brain ... instant death

you obviously think traveling hundreds of kl from some cattle station out in the west in 40 deg heat in a truck, must be fun... Angry

neither is it fun for humans to be travelling long distances on a train or plane, but we do it (at least I always find it uncomfortable) .. I think it's ridiculous to suggest they may be uncomfortable.

at last we agree on something... do we stop doing business with other countries.. that treat their women and girls worse than cattle???????

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: The realities of govt . . .I suppose Reply #14 - Nov 1^st, 2013 at 2:59pm I guess this thread plummeting down the list quickly highlights how much animal cruelty does not really bother many people. This stuff will continue as long as we (as a Nation) support and continue with Live Exports of Sheep and Cattle.
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