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Nov 1st, 2013 at 11:05am
 
At the top of this board muso has a tread on the likely effects of increasing  CO2 and trots out "calcification" requirements of corals and shellfish. So the argument goes up goes CO2 and shells have much lower ability to utilize calcium or their shells get thinner or can't be formed at all and certainly would not be preserved in such an acid environment. muso also states that the tread would be limited to what is known rather than what "lurks around the corner"
In line with this surely the fossil record then for times that had much greater CO2 than the historically low concentration we have now would be devoid of shells or these would be much, much thinner. So wouldn't the non-existence of existence of these comprise what is "known"?
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Reply #1 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 11:40am
 
Nice question!
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Reply #2 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 4:57pm
 
I say lets all pray to gaia that a little bit more warming does happen so the ocean may rise and cover those poor little critters living on coral reefs.

About the acidification, we have had warmer periods in our history and coral reefs survived.
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Reply #3 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:27pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 4:57pm:
I say lets all pray to gaia that a little bit more warming does happen so the ocean may rise and cover those poor little critters living on coral reefs.

About the acidification, we have had warmer periods in our history and coral reefs survived.


Yup...my point. We live ten feet over a 220 million year old shell bed...the shells are comparable or thicker than those of the current era even though at that time CO2 was over 1000ppm.
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Reply #4 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 9:50pm
 
namnugenot wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 11:05am:
At the top of this board muso has a tread on the likely effects of increasing  CO2 and trots out "calcification" requirements of corals and shellfish. So the argument goes up goes CO2 and shells have much lower ability to utilize calcium or their shells get thinner or can't be formed at all and certainly would not be preserved in such an acid environment. muso also states that the tread would be limited to what is known rather than what "lurks around the corner"
In line with this surely the fossil record then for times that had much greater CO2 than the historically low concentration we have now would be devoid of shells or these would be much, much thinner. So wouldn't the non-existence of existence of these comprise what is "known"?


It's a question of which mineral the organisms are geared up to produce. Some, like most crustaceans, will survive quite happily under higher CO2 levels. It's quite correct that some  biota will be unaffected, however the ones that will be affected include (shallow) corals and many fish (their otoliths in particular)

Aragonite is the more soluble mineral. As temperatures have cooled, more organisms have evolved that produce aragonite. In the geological past there was more calcite. Aragonite is stable in colder climates whereas calcite is stable in warmer climates. 

Coral, particularly shallow coral is particularly affected by reducing ocean pH. Eocene corals were mostly totally different species from those of today.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00338-008-0375-6

I hope that addresses your question.
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Reply #5 - Nov 1st, 2013 at 10:04pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 at 11:40am:
Nice question!


Rate of change! Your favourite term. You missed that one. Evolution can keep with with lower rates of change but doesn't have a snowflakes chance in the Blue mountains bushfires of adapting to that rate of change. 
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