Australian Politics Forum - Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs

# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #30 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am: ... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity. Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?
Back to top	IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 139586
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #31 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

muso wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Hey laughing boy, show me a 1000 year old thermometer for that matter. Denialists love proxy temperature data. Ask Ajax. He'll tell you all about the Medieval Warming. He uses the words of the Lord (Monckton) and reverentially crosses himself and mutters pious statements like "The Hockey Stick is dead" and "No warming since 1998".

So do you want the Medieval Warming, or do you wnt to pretend that temperature proxies don't exist? You can't have it both ways.

Why are you confusing me with "denialists" and Ajax?

Stay focused. Just for once.

So, this 120,000 year old thermometer of yours ... where is it?

It's not a rectal one, is it?

#, I'm looking at you boy.

Back to top

IP Logged

Rider

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2669
OnTheRoad
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #32 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

ummmm, the projections of 98% of climate models for instance...doh...

Back to top

IP Logged

namnugenot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 639
NSW
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #33 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:23pm

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:13am:

... actual hard evidence ...

The way I read the OP, the evidence was hard. Then it defrosted.

Seriously, to denialists, "hard evidence" is that which supports their beliefs. Evidence which doesn't support the denialist belief system can, in fact must, be disregarded.

Back to the topic: the subject paper was written by qualified researchers and published in Geophysical Research Letters, a reputable journal, following peer review. Metrics of the journal are:-
H Index: 142
SJR: 2.67
Cites per doc: 3.82

So, namnugenot, what are your qualifications?

Actually before it was frozen it was being used by people living there, then it was frozen over, and then it thawed...it's called climatic variability. Come on now you seem to be very confused...evidence does not include speculation...that's for playing the stock market or investing in property. Most of what he says is in fact wildly speculative.

Back to top

IP Logged

namnugenot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 639
NSW
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #34 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:26pm

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

Absolutely...for the Church of AGW, world climate began in 1950...not even an eyebink in geological time.

Back to top

IP Logged

namnugenot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 639
NSW
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #35 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:29pm

Rider wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

ummmm, the projections of 98% of climate models for instance...doh...

Not one of which predicted the "pause"...sh!t in equals sh!t out...

Back to top

IP Logged

muso

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #36 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

muso wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Hey laughing boy, show me a 1000 year old thermometer for that matter. Denialists love proxy temperature data. Ask Ajax. He'll tell you all about the Medieval Warming. He uses the words of the Lord (Monckton) and reverentially crosses himself and mutters pious statements like "The Hockey Stick is dead" and "No warming since 1998".

So do you want the Medieval Warming, or do you wnt to pretend that temperature proxies don't exist? You can't have it both ways.

Why are you confusing me with "denialists" and Ajax?

Stay focused. Just for once.

So, this 120,000 year old thermometer of yours ... where is it?

It's not a rectal one, is it?

#, I'm looking at you boy.

http://wallpaper.pickywallpapers.com/widescreen/preview/hugh-laurie-with-a-recta...

Do you want me to explain how proxies work? - how proxy data has been compared with recent instrumental data and showed a good match etc?

Google it.

Here:

http://www.climatedata.info/Proxy/Proxy/icecores.html

Back to top

1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not

IP Logged

Chimp_Logic

Gold Member

Offline

πολιτικός

Posts: 4826
Mawson Base
Gender: male

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #37 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 6:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

muso wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 8:09am:

Hey laughing boy, show me a 1000 year old thermometer for that matter. Denialists love proxy temperature data. Ask Ajax. He'll tell you all about the Medieval Warming. He uses the words of the Lord (Monckton) and reverentially crosses himself and mutters pious statements like "The Hockey Stick is dead" and "No warming since 1998".

So do you want the Medieval Warming, or do you wnt to pretend that temperature proxies don't exist? You can't have it both ways.

Stay focused.

youre not going to say sorry like a parrot again are you Mr Greggy?

Back to top

Mini Ice Age (2014-2029)
Dr Sircus cures cancer with Baking Soda and Magnesium - Jethro the MENTAL GIANT & his flute madness

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #38 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:29pm:

Rider wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

ummmm, the projections of 98% of climate models for instance...doh...

Not one of which predicted the "pause"...sh!t in equals sh!t out...

What is non-linearity?

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #39 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

Absolutely...for the Church of AGW, world climate began in 1950...not even an eyebink in geological time.

INsurance is what insurance does Kiss

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #40 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 6:50pm

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:13am:

... actual hard evidence ...

The way I read the OP, the evidence was hard. Then it defrosted.

Seriously, to denialists, "hard evidence" is that which supports their beliefs. Evidence which doesn't support the denialist belief system can, in fact must, be disregarded.

Back to the topic: the subject paper was written by qualified researchers and published in Geophysical Research Letters, a reputable journal, following peer review. Metrics of the journal are:-
H Index: 142
SJR: 2.67
Cites per doc: 3.82

So, namnugenot, what are your qualifications?

Actually before it was frozen it was being used by people living there, then it was frozen over, and then it thawed...it's called climatic variability. Come on now you seem to be very confused...evidence does not include speculation...that's for playing the stock market or investing in property. Most of what he says is in fact wildly speculative.

Like what you're saying but with less qualification? Cool

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

BatteriesNotIncluded

Gold Member

Offline

MediocrityNET: because
people died for this!

Posts: 26966

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #41 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

Rider wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

ummmm, the projections of 98% of climate models for instance...doh...

Subsidised jevons paradox says what ? Kiss

Back to top

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

IP Logged

#

Gold Member

Offline

A fool is certain: an
ignorant fool, absolutely
so

Posts: 2603

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #42 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

...
Why are you confusing me with "denialists" ...

No confusion. In repeatedly failing the rationality test, you've pretty conclusively proven that you're less than a sceptic. The only question is, how much less?

In considering you a denialist, muso gives you the benefit of the doubt. I reckon you're much less than that. # wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30am:

...He's given no cause to suppose that he believes the denialist nonsense. I reckon greggerypeccary merely says whatever he hopes will provoke a reaction for his amusement. First and foremost, greggerypeccary is a troll.
...

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

...
So, this 120,000 year old thermometer of yours ... where is it?

Ask your keeper to explain the OP to you.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

It's not a rectal one, is it?
...

While worrying, your fascination with that part of the anatomy is at least consistent.

Back to top

IP Logged

#

Gold Member

Offline

A fool is certain: an
ignorant fool, absolutely
so

Posts: 2603

Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #43 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:19pm

Rider wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

ummmm, the projections of 98% of climate models for instance...doh...

An assertion which you were not able to substantiate. Care to try again?

Back to top

IP Logged

# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #44 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:21pm namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:23pm: # wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:03pm: ... So, namnugenot, what are your qualifications? Actually ... None, then.
Back to top	IP Logged