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Reply #60 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 11:02am

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

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So, namnugenot, what are your qualifications?

Actually ...

None, then.

I don't know you but I'm pretty confident I'm more qualified than you. ...

What is the relevance of my qualifications? You're the one claiming to know better than the, evidently qualified, authors of the peer-reviewed paper.
namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

... That in any case is irrelevant seeing as what your putting up ...

Read the O.P. Am I among I the authors of the subject paper? Did I contribute in any way to the study?

Again; what are your qualifications, that you claim to know better than the authors of the study?

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #61 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:03pm

# wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 11:02am:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

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So, namnugenot, what are your qualifications?

Actually ...

None, then.

I don't know you but I'm pretty confident I'm more qualified than you. ...

What is the relevance of my qualifications? You're the one claiming to know better than the, evidently qualified, authors of the peer-reviewed paper.
namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 9:47pm:

... That in any case is irrelevant seeing as what your putting up ...

Read the O.P. Am I among I the authors of the subject paper? Did I contribute in any way to the study?

Again; what are your qualifications, that you claim to know better than the authors of the study?

I'm just a heretic to you and your tired dogma...I would mock you only I can't be bothered...I just leave that to the 3,400 year old shoe and all the other artifacts recovered that clearly and utterly show that your source is a steaming pile of dog sh!t.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #62 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:14pm

namnugenot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

So to rewind (so possibly) it's claimed that it could be the warmest temperatures for 120,000 years...possibly on the way down from the actual peak...so not unprecedented. Also melting ice is exposing plants, PLANTS also apparently a lot of human artifacts is some parts of Europe (considerably less than 120K years old)...
In news just in melting ice has so far not uncovered any coal fired power stations or combustion engines...that's a shame...

Explain to me why it has to be unprecedented.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #63 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:26pm:

# wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:05pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:20am:

... flawed guesstimations that cherry pick a data set and project it into infinity.

Do you have an example of that (other than from the denialists, of course)?

Absolutely...for the Church of AGW, world climate began in 1950...not even an eyeblink in geological time.

They just don't seem to understand how insignificant 100 or 200 years is when it comes to climate.

that's correct Mr Greggy, good old Milankovitch showed that the major climatic changes occur over thousands of years rather than centuries

But as we all know the Milankovitch cycles are NATURALLY periodic.

We are talking about a sudden HUMAN input into the earths systems.

The undeniable AGW scientific fact, deals with perturbations to the climate over very short periods of time compared to the Milankovitch time scales

Even when you make a correct statement in your posts, which is a rare event, that statement ends up supporting the scientific AGW fact.

thanks for that Greggy - I owe you one you filthy sheet of decrystalised wombat urine

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #64 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:06pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 7:33pm: ... Naive, narrow-minded, ignorant fools ... Says one to whom the description would unquestionably apply, if he actually believed the nonsense he spouts.
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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #66 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

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He is a lord and has a mathematics degree.
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton Quote:

His critics, including The Guardian writer George Monbiot, point out that Monckton has only a "degree in classics and a diploma in journalism and...no further qualifications."

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #67 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:25pm

muso wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

So to rewind (so possibly) it's claimed that it could be the warmest temperatures for 120,000 years...possibly on the way down from the actual peak...so not unprecedented. Also melting ice is exposing plants, PLANTS also apparently a lot of human artifacts is some parts of Europe (considerably less than 120K years old)...
In news just in melting ice has so far not uncovered any coal fired power stations or combustion engines...that's a shame...

Explain to me why it has to be unprecedented.

You first. You're the ones always banging on about "unprecedented"...so you accept it is not? You might also accept that hunting and other human artifacts recovered suggest prolonged ice free status for those areas sufficient to promote plant populations sufficient to support grazing by animal populations that would in turn provide reason for human populations to be there hunting them in the first place...and by the numbers of artifacts being recovered, not insignificant numbers.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #68 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:33pm

namnugenot wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

muso wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

So to rewind (so possibly) it's claimed that it could be the warmest temperatures for 120,000 years...possibly on the way down from the actual peak...so not unprecedented. Also melting ice is exposing plants, PLANTS also apparently a lot of human artifacts is some parts of Europe (considerably less than 120K years old)...
In news just in melting ice has so far not uncovered any coal fired power stations or combustion engines...that's a shame...

Explain to me why it has to be unprecedented.

You first. You're the ones always banging on about "unprecedented"...so you accept it is not? You might also accept that hunting and other human artifacts recovered suggest prolonged ice free status for those areas sufficient to promote plant populations sufficient to support grazing by animal populations that would in turn provide reason for human populations to be there hunting them in the first place...and by the numbers of artifacts being recovered, not insignificant numbers.

Yes and when the last MAJOR ice age occurred the average temperature was about 5 degC lower than what it is today (ie pre industrial Non AGW temperatures)

During that ice age period, the 5 degC drop in average global temperature caused an ice sheet to cover most of the land mass where USA currently resides.

So what do you think will happen if the average global temperature is INCREASED by 5 degC?

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #70 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

# wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

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He is a lord and has a mathematics degree.
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Christopher_Monckton Quote:

His critics, including The Guardian writer George Monbiot, point out that Monckton has only a "degree in classics and a diploma in journalism and...no further qualifications."

...better put another fraudulent claim on Monckton's list....

the Lord has often claimed in his public speaking tours that he studied mathematics in detail and ended up with a qualification in Physics

Monckton also claims to be an official reviewer for the IPCC reports - a claim that has been refuted by the IPCC itself.

The British parliament has also asked him to STOP referring to himself in public as a member of the House of Lords - he is not a Lord of the house

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #71 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

namnugenot wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

# wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

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I'm just a heretic to you ...

No, just supremely ignorant.

Says the buffoon without 2 brain cells to rub together...

Now, now. I heed the best, you put your faith in the rest.

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Reply #72 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:56pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

muso wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:14pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 7^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

So to rewind (so possibly) it's claimed that it could be the warmest temperatures for 120,000 years...possibly on the way down from the actual peak...so not unprecedented. Also melting ice is exposing plants, PLANTS also apparently a lot of human artifacts is some parts of Europe (considerably less than 120K years old)...
In news just in melting ice has so far not uncovered any coal fired power stations or combustion engines...that's a shame...

Explain to me why it has to be unprecedented.

You first. You're the ones always banging on about "unprecedented"...so you accept it is not? You might also accept that hunting and other human artifacts recovered suggest prolonged ice free status for those areas sufficient to promote plant populations sufficient to support grazing by animal populations that would in turn provide reason for human populations to be there hunting them in the first place...and by the numbers of artifacts being recovered, not insignificant numbers.

Yes and when the last MAJOR ice age occurred the average temperature was about 5 degC lower than what it is today (ie pre industrial Non AGW temperatures)

During that ice age period, the 5 degC drop in average global temperature caused an ice sheet to cover most of the land mass where USA currently resides.

So what do you think will happen if the average global temperature is INCREASED by 5 degC?

See that's why you're irrelevant.
I'm not interested in hypothetical ifs, buts or supposes...
I think you'll find in any case that at the last major ice age the temperature was south of 5 degC lower than now/pre-industrialisation and that number is more reflective of the average temperature over the last 400k years.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #73 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

# wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

# wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:08pm:

namnugenot wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 12:03pm:

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I'm just a heretic to you ...

No, just supremely ignorant.