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Reply #90 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

muso wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

We're getting close to a flame war. I make allowances for chimp. I don't think anybody in their right mind would be offended by his "insults". At least they are funny.

...I take great offence at YOU treating me in a different manner to others posters on ozpolitic, you filthy perpetually rolling boulder dung beetle freak clown maggot.

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Reply #91 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 8:39am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

muso wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 6:13pm:

We're getting close to a flame war. I make allowances for chimp. I don't think anybody in their right mind would be offended by his "insults". At least they are funny.

...I take great offence at YOU treating me in a different manner to others posters on ozpolitic, you filthy perpetually rolling boulder dung beetle freak clown maggot.

Your offense is greater than my offense.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #92 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 3:27pm We're getting close to a flame war, lol
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Reply #93 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 7:15pm

Why are Climate Models diverging from reality; when they are apparently accurate hindcasting? Could they have got the "right" result for the "wrong" reasons?

It is interesting that Dana Nuccitelli can work for Big Oil and be a warmist, and that's OK, But anyone who is a so-called denialist, is in the pay of Evil Big Oil.

Then again Big Oil have a history of investing in "green" projects, so "green" projects must be bad.

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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #94 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 7:52pm lee wrote on Nov 12^th, 2013 at 7:15pm: Why are Climate Models diverging from reality; ... Are they?
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Reply #95 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 8:39pm

I would post the link but am a new member. However you can view the graphs from the Summary for Policy Makers. And also search for 'Changes to the underlying scientific/technical assessment', because the charts vary.

They show the models output spaghetti graph and measurements. The slopes have been adjusted so that real figures appear in the low end of the error bar.

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Reply #96 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 8:52pm

# wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Arctic summer temperatures at warmest level for 120,000 years

By Andrew Freedman on 1 November 2013

Elsewhere in the news, NASA says:

In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record. Sea ice extended over 19.47 million square kilometers (7.51 million square miles) of the Southern Ocean. The previous record of 19.44 million square kilometers was set in September 2012.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82160

Must be some Murdoch press ploy no doubt.

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Reply #97 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 9:43pm

Another aspect - google "ar4 spm overwrites science".

In the changes to "Changes to underlying Scientific/Technical Assessment" from climatechange2013.org and note this from the IPCC-

"Changes to the Underlying Scientific-Technical Assessment to ensure consistency with the approved Summary for Policymakers."

So apparently politics overrides science.

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Reply #98 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

lee wrote on Nov 12^th, 2013 at 9:43pm:

Another aspect - google "ar4 spm overwrites science".

In the changes to "Changes to underlying Scientific/Technical Assessment" from climatechange2013.org and note this from the IPCC-

"Changes to the Underlying Scientific-Technical Assessment to ensure consistency with the approved Summary for Policymakers."

So apparently politics overrides science.

Science...well for AGWers that would be a first. It's like nailing jelly to a wall.

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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #99 - Nov 12^th, 2013 at 11:28pm

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

# wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Arctic summer temperatures at warmest level for 120,000 years

By Andrew Freedman on 1 November 2013

Elsewhere in the news, NASA says:

In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record. Sea ice extended over 19.47 million square kilometers (7.51 million square miles) of the Southern Ocean. The previous record of 19.44 million square kilometers was set in September 2012.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82160
http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/82000/82160/spseaice_am2_20132...

Must be some Murdoch press ploy no doubt.

what is the volume of the ice?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18020 Gender:	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #100 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 6:29pm Apparently the Alfred Wegener Institute in Germany has announced that Antarctica had the most coverage in 30 years- in terms of extent and volume.
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #101 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 8:31pm lee wrote on Nov 12^th, 2013 at 8:39pm: I would post the link but am a new member. ... That doesn't stop you posting the url.
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Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs
Reply #102 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 8:34pm

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

# wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2013 at 2:26pm:

Arctic summer temperatures at warmest level for 120,000 years

By Andrew Freedman on 1 November 2013

Elsewhere in the news, NASA says:

In late September 2013, the ice surrounding Antarctica reached its annual winter maximum and set a new record. Sea ice extended over 19.47 million square kilometers (7.51 million square miles) of the Southern Ocean. The previous record of 19.44 million square kilometers was set in September 2012....

Do you know what that means? I've been around long enough to realise the hazards of data in the hands of amateurs.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18020 Gender:	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #103 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 8:34pm I have been knocked back twice from postings links. Don't know the difference between url's and links
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# Gold Member Offline A fool is certain: an ignorant fool, absolutely so Posts: 2603	Re: Arctic summer temperatures warmest for 120,000 yrs Reply #104 - Nov 13^th, 2013 at 8:35pm lee wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 6:29pm: Apparently the Alfred Wegener Institute in Germany has announced that Antarctica had the most coverage in 30 years- in terms of extent and volume. The significance of which (if true) would be?
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