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Reply #90 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:58pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:45pm:
I never mentioned age...  yet another strawman or lie if you prefer.



Grendel wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
I've seen and heard her enough over the years to have a valid opinion thanks.


I'll go away when you form an opinion you can justify based on facts.
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Reply #91 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 7:27pm
 
Ok I'm typing this really slowly for you OK?

She was in politics for years...  hence I have seen her for years...
I never made any statement about "age" you created yet another strawman...  I will now put you on ignore...

from now on all you'll get is  Roll Eyes
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Reply #92 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 7:44pm
 
skippy. wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
salad in wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:17pm:
salad in wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Wrong. The Australian Labor Party, the party of ideas, the progressive and enlightened party has objectified women. I wonder if the ALP's rules were formulated by people wearing blue ties.


Thanks Saladin, the font of all knowledge.

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You forgot to change sox when you answered yourself dear.


OUCH!!!!
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Reply #93 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:00pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 7:44pm:
skippy. wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
salad in wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:17pm:
salad in wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Wrong. The Australian Labor Party, the party of ideas, the progressive and enlightened party has objectified women. I wonder if the ALP's rules were formulated by people wearing blue ties.


Thanks Saladin, the font of all knowledge.

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You forgot to change sox when you answered yourself dear.


OUCH!!!!


Sometimes, ya just gotta have a chuckle!
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Reply #94 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:03pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 7:44pm:
skippy. wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
salad in wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:17pm:
salad in wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 6:06pm:
Wrong. The Australian Labor Party, the party of ideas, the progressive and enlightened party has objectified women. I wonder if the ALP's rules were formulated by people wearing blue ties.


Thanks Saladin, the font of all knowledge.

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You forgot to change sox when you answered yourself dear.


OUCH!!!!


Sometimes, ya just gotta have a chuckle!



Yeah, seems that way hey Mr Perceptions. Wonder if we'll ever see Salad In in here again. My guess is NO.

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Reply #95 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:25pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:45pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 5:07pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 4:55pm:
Do you have any reason why you think she is unsuitable for this position?


That's far too logical. The conga line don't do logic.

If the Abbott approach is purely based on merit, the the fact he has only one vagina in his Cabinet says tons about the quality of women in the party.

I believe in choice on merit, and also believe if you have two equal candidates, one a vagina, the other a penis, then the vagina should be chosen.

I have asked my own penis about this. He has no objection.


Why should a woman get prefetential treatment over a man? That is sexism, pure sexism.

I believe in merit, pure merit, best person for the job. I don,t care of that means all men, all women or anything in between.


Because the male of the species got preferential treatment, for quite a long period of time & the only way to balance that situation over time, is to reverse that preferential treatment.

Oh & btw, it is merit that is needed, Because the male of the species certainly has stuffed things up, immensely, as we are now in the process of seeing, in both Political & Economic terms!





You think it was 'preferential treatment' to go to work in a filthy industry while mum stayed home?  Of died of a gutful of lead in some filthy war?

Get a life.  There is no justification whatsoever for any suggestion that women in the past were oppressed any more than men were - thing is - men still are.

Preferential treatment -Jeee-Zuz.  How old are you?  If you're under 60 then STFU about things you know nothing about.
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Reply #96 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:31pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 8:09pm:
As the father of 2 girls I assure you I want them to grow up and be able to become anything they want.

I don't care for your labels at all.

I call things as I see it. The VPs at our place that are women seem to feel the need to be hard nosed bitches. I can only assume it's insecurity but it sure is true.


There is no argument over women getting to do whatever they want - but not at the direct expense of men with affirmative action and so forth.  They already have the advantages you listed before.... and therefore genuine merit is the only way to go.

As you know - I oppose quotas and will not change, and I happen to believe women with real merit would do as well as men under a pure merit system, but not while carrying the monkey on their backs of affirmative action, which nobody believes renders the best result, only a socialist 'final solution' to THEIR perception of a problem.

My daughter does what she wants to do - nobody could stop her anyway...   Grin.. and my children were raised to have their own minds.

Wouldn't have it any other way.
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Reply #97 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:38pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 3:16am:
For the reason that there are far more penises than vaginas in most executive positions. Choosing the vagina ahead of the penis, when all other factors are equal, helps redress the gender imbalance,

Simple, really.


There is no gender imbalance in a pure merit system without artificial advancement window dressing - there is what is - it's called equal treatment, not equal outcomes.


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Reply #98 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:52pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:49pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:45pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:36pm:
it's not as Democratic as the Liberals


The Labor party recently changed it so members can vote for the party leader in 50% with the the caucus.  Don't get me wrong though, I don't support Labor either.

Still not quite sure why you think she was a wrong choice, but thanks for clarifying your position.


They vote for the leader, and that's it. Incidentally, the majority 60%, didn't get who they wanted.

The Liberal party isn't run by factions, as is the aLP, neither is the National party.


the libs have their own factions, lets not pretend that they never have problems. .... although they seem to be better able to keep it behind closed doors.


Yes we do have factions, but they are not formal and there is no animosity between members, unlike in Labor, where many hate each other's guts.
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Reply #99 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:54pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:51pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:30pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 8:41pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 4:58pm:
She is eminently qualified  ..... she has sex appeal.


According to the suppository of wisdom, that's all she needs. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Are you ignorant of what Abbott said, or deliberately twisting his words?


You think anyone stupid enough to say what Abbott said does not deserve to cop what ever he gets?


What did he say?


that people should vote for her(forgot the name) because she had sex appeal  ...

are you slow?


When did he say that?


fvcken during the election campaign about the lib candidate in (I think ) western Sydney ....


Did you listen to what he said, John? Or did you get your information from the ABC and Fairfax?


Actually, I believe it was channel 9 news ..... It's not one I'd forget in any great hurry Matty ... I laughed so hard I fell of the couch.  Grin Grin Grin


See above.


in that case you are a bona fide idiot


You are such a moron.
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Reply #100 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:47pm
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 3:16am:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 5:07pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 4:55pm:
Do you have any reason why you think she is unsuitable for this position?


That's far too logical. The conga line don't do logic.

If the Abbott approach is purely based on merit, the the fact he has only one vagina in his Cabinet says tons about the quality of women in the party.

I believe in choice on merit, and also believe if you have two equal candidates, one a vagina, the other a penis, then the vagina should be chosen.

I have asked my own penis about this. He has no objection.


Why should a woman get prefetential treatment over a man? That is sexism, pure sexism.

I believe in merit, pure merit, best person for the job. I don,t care of that means all men, all women or anything in between.


For the reason that there are far more penises than vaginas in most executive positions. Choosing the vagina ahead of the penis, when all other factors are equal, helps redress the gender imbalance,

Simple, really.


I disagree, put the vagina and penis in a hat.
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Reply #101 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:49pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 11:10am:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 10:13pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 8:37pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 8:34pm:
The fact they put Deb O'Neill in the Senate spot shows it's just about sex not talent.


No one has answered why she is unsuitable for this position yet.


I did.

Apparently stratos doesn't accept answers they don't like matty...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I agree Grendel. Mike Kelly is obviously a better choice, but the reason he didn't get it is because he has a penis, and that is sexist.
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Reply #102 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:45pm:
matty wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:27pm:
Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 5:07pm:
Stratos wrote on Nov 3rd, 2013 at 4:55pm:
Do you have any reason why you think she is unsuitable for this position?


That's far too logical. The conga line don't do logic.

If the Abbott approach is purely based on merit, the the fact he has only one vagina in his Cabinet says tons about the quality of women in the party.

I believe in choice on merit, and also believe if you have two equal candidates, one a vagina, the other a penis, then the vagina should be chosen.

I have asked my own penis about this. He has no objection.


Why should a woman get prefetential treatment over a man? That is sexism, pure sexism.

I believe in merit, pure merit, best person for the job. I don,t care of that means all men, all women or anything in between.


Because the male of the species got preferential treatment, for quite a long period of time & the only way to balance that situation over time, is to reverse that preferential treatment.

Oh & btw, it is merit that is needed, Because the male of the species certainly has stuffed things up, immensely, as we are now in the process of seeing, in both Political & Economic terms!





You think it was 'preferential treatment' to go to work in a filthy industry while mum stayed home?  Of died of a gutful of lead in some filthy war?

Get a life.  There is no justification whatsoever for any suggestion that women in the past were oppressed any more than men were - thing is - men still are.

Preferential treatment -Jeee-Zuz.  How old are you?  If you're under 60 then STFU about things you know nothing about.


In fact, there is a considerable weight of facts that say the Female of the species has received less than equality and as your friend "John Adams" may agree “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

That said, IF the male of the species, which has received an across the board preferential treatment, had at least done a good job in setting up the future of humanity, then perhaps we ould make excuses, BUT the Reality is we have done poorly!

Oh & btw, Yes I am over 60, not that age automatically gives me any better understanding, other than it has given me more time than those under 60, to what what has been "cocked up"!

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Reply #103 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:52pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
Yeah, seems that way hey Mr Perceptions. Wonder if we'll ever see Salad In in here again. My guess is NO.



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Reply #104 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Nov 4th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
In fact, there is a considerable weight of facts that say the Female of the species has received less than equality and as your friend "John Adams" may agree “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”

That said, IF the male of the species, which has received an across the board preferential treatment, had at least done a good job in setting up the future of humanity, then perhaps we ould make excuses, BUT the Reality is we have done poorly!

Oh & btw, Yes I am over 60, not that age automatically gives me any better understanding, other than it has given me more time than those under 60, to what what has been "cocked up"!




Facts please - not rhetoric.... as a Kiwi you claim NZ women haven't had the vote for over a hundred years same as here?  And what else have they missed out on in all that time other than not having jobs - when most jobs were hard, filthy, dangerous and life-shortening.

I don't see your feminists lining up to work in foundries - do you?

FACTS.. not rhetoric.... women were LIBERATED from the shackles of wage slavery in filthy mines and factories by the work of Unions to gain a single living wage - and that LIBERATION lead directly to universal education, a balanced an relatively prosperous society, and the potential for every family to own a home, as well as the upward movement in rights and social conditions for all.

You see that around here now?  I see the mandatory dual income family, massive disempowerment of many, poverty of many, vanishing hope for many to ever own a home, social disaster on all sides, and a steady demolition derby on Rights, as well as never-ending discrimination to favour women under this delusion that they were 'oppressed' in the past by not having 'careers' that didn't exist - most people were lucky to have JOBS - most of which women could not or would not do.

If that's 'equality' - keep it!

The 'doing poorly' began - and continues to this day, at the moment MEN were foolish enough to install artificial advancement to 'equalise' women.  Western society has never looked up since.

AND ADDS:-  Women always got their cut by being part of a socio-economic unit called a Family - remember that from the history books?

Amazing - simply amazing!  Some people think it is perfectly all right for any State, government or movement to simply set about deliberately oppressing a specified social group - men these days under this delusion of 'they deserve it after all the years poor women put up with it' - and then wonder why they are rightly tarred with the Fascist brush!

I hate to inform you, but such a deliberate action - not a societal demand of the times - is defined as a Crime Agaisnt Humanity.

Hiding under a 'socialist' umbrella won't save you from that either - that's why these sorts of movements are rightly labeled socio-fascist', and always will be - and always will be opposed by right thinking people everywhere.

Maybe ten years in the gulag for socio-fascist adherents following the successful reversion of the West to sanity will change their minds about "the right and duty of men to be oppressed due to some myth from the past."

A little bit of the same medicine always helps.  Five minutes of GENUINE oppression is usually enough to startle the average ideologue out o his/her mythology.

How would YOU like thirty years of preferential treatment for someone else in your country?  Let's pick a group - Muslims, or Greeks, or Legally Browns.  For the next thirty years ONLY they will receive AA to get them 'equal'.. and if thirty farken years isn't enough by their standards, meaning if one of them misses out on a job or they complain enough - it will go on FOREVER!

Feminists and feminist apologists are fools.  The West proves that right here and now.

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