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Reply #60 - Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:49pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:45pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:36pm:

it's not as Democratic as the Liberals

The Labor party recently changed it so members can vote for the party leader in 50% with the the caucus. Don't get me wrong though, I don't support Labor either.

Still not quite sure why you think she was a wrong choice, but thanks for clarifying your position.

They vote for the leader, and that's it. Incidentally, the majority 60%, didn't get who they wanted.

The Liberal party isn't run by factions, as is the aLP, neither is the National party.

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Reply #61 - Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:51pm

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:41pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 4:58pm:

She is eminently qualified ..... she has sex appeal.

According to the suppository of wisdom, that's all she needs. Grin

Are you ignorant of what Abbott said, or deliberately twisting his words?

You think anyone stupid enough to say what Abbott said does not deserve to cop what ever he gets?

What did he say?

that people should vote for her(forgot the name) because she had sex appeal ...

are you slow?

When did he say that?

fvcken during the election campaign about the lib candidate in (I think ) western Sydney ....

Did you listen to what he said, John? Or did you get your information from the ABC and Fairfax?

Actually, I believe it was channel 9 news ..... It's not one I'd forget in any great hurry Matty ... I laughed so hard I fell of the couch. Grin

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Reply #62 - Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:51pm

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:47pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:41pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 4:58pm:

She is eminently qualified ..... she has sex appeal.

According to the suppository of wisdom, that's all she needs. Grin

Are you ignorant of what Abbott said, or deliberately twisting his words?

You think anyone stupid enough to say what Abbott said does not deserve to cop what ever he gets?

What did he say?

that people should vote for her(forgot the name) because she had sex appeal ...

are you slow?

When did he say that?

fvcken during the election campaign about the lib candidate in (I think ) western Sydney ....

Did you listen to what he said, John? Or did you get your information from the ABC and Fairfax?

Matty,
I would have thought you would have listened to & remembered every word uttered, by your hero -

But, even if you haven't, it's not that difficult to look up, you know?

I still don't see where he said that that's why people should vote for her.

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Reply #63 - Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:52pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:41pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 4:58pm:

She is eminently qualified ..... she has sex appeal.

According to the suppository of wisdom, that's all she needs. Grin

Are you ignorant of what Abbott said, or deliberately twisting his words?

You think anyone stupid enough to say what Abbott said does not deserve to cop what ever he gets?

What did he say?

that people should vote for her(forgot the name) because she had sex appeal ...

are you slow?

When did he say that?

fvcken during the election campaign about the lib candidate in (I think ) western Sydney ....

Did you listen to what he said, John? Or did you get your information from the ABC and Fairfax?

Actually, I believe it was channel 9 news ..... It's not one I'd forget in any great hurry Matty ... I laughed so hard I fell of the couch. Grin

See above.

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Reply #64 - Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:52pm

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:45pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:36pm:

it's not as Democratic as the Liberals

The Labor party recently changed it so members can vote for the party leader in 50% with the the caucus. Don't get me wrong though, I don't support Labor either.

Still not quite sure why you think she was a wrong choice, but thanks for clarifying your position.

They vote for the leader, and that's it. Incidentally, the majority 60%, didn't get who they wanted.

The Liberal party isn't run by factions, as is the aLP, neither is the National party.

the libs have their own factions, lets not pretend that they never have problems. .... although they seem to be better able to keep it behind closed doors.

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Reply #65 - Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:54pm

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:52pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:51pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:30pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:21pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:41pm:

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 4:58pm:

She is eminently qualified ..... she has sex appeal.

According to the suppository of wisdom, that's all she needs. Grin

Are you ignorant of what Abbott said, or deliberately twisting his words?

You think anyone stupid enough to say what Abbott said does not deserve to cop what ever he gets?

What did he say?

that people should vote for her(forgot the name) because she had sex appeal ...

are you slow?

When did he say that?

fvcken during the election campaign about the lib candidate in (I think ) western Sydney ....

Did you listen to what he said, John? Or did you get your information from the ABC and Fairfax?

Actually, I believe it was channel 9 news ..... It's not one I'd forget in any great hurry Matty ... I laughed so hard I fell of the couch. Grin

See above.

in that case you are a bona fide idiot

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Reply #66 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 3:16am

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 7:27pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 4:55pm:

Do you have any reason why you think she is unsuitable for this position?

That's far too logical. The conga line don't do logic.

If the Abbott approach is purely based on merit, the the fact he has only one vagina in his Cabinet says tons about the quality of women in the party.

I believe in choice on merit, and also believe if you have two equal candidates, one a vagina, the other a penis, then the vagina should be chosen.

I have asked my own penis about this. He has no objection.

Why should a woman get prefetential treatment over a man? That is sexism, pure sexism.

I believe in merit, pure merit, best person for the job. I don,t care of that means all men, all women or anything in between.

For the reason that there are far more penises than vaginas in most executive positions. Choosing the vagina ahead of the penis, when all other factors are equal, helps redress the gender imbalance,

Simple, really.

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Reply #67 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 3:25am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:23pm:

No I didn't at all. I suggest you re read my comments.

I said sex appeal can be an additional club in the bag.
If you don't see that then you're blind.

I also point out that women who reach a higher level such as VP seem to feel the need to be as hard as nails.
Again I'm pointing out what I see. I have enough meetings with these women to know its true.

I think it's insecurity. Males at their level don't seem to feel the need to be utter pr1cks.
Though there are some.

I think it's because women know that to succeed in top jobs they have to be tougher and harder than the males.

Maggie Thatcher knew that. Though with the limpwristed wimps she worked with, this can't have been hard.

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Reply #69 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:10am

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:37pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 8:34pm:

The fact they put Deb O'Neill in the Senate spot shows it's just about sex not talent.

No one has answered why she is unsuitable for this position yet.

I did.

Apparently stratos doesn't accept answers they don't like matty... Roll Eyes

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Reply #70 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Next time you try providing a real reason why she should be there and not create strawmen...

I have asked one simple question and received no answer. When people failed to answer it I asked again. Don't know what you think a straw man argument is but I just want someone to answer the question.

Besides, since we are talking proper debating language, stop trying to shift the burden of proof onto me and feel free to answer the question, which was for the fourth time, why do you believe this woman in unsuitable for the role she has been given.

A strawman is a false/created/confected argument... did you miss yourself doing that did you? Roll Eyes

Oh and since that is the 1st time I've been asked that question I guess you'll need to edit your claims then eh.

I've already stated she is a party hack and noddy and has done nothing notable and was likely picked to replace Belinda due to her sex. If you think being a female party hack, whose claim to fame is sitting behind the PM nodding is a measure of suitability then bingo! She's all yours.

Don't try on the strawman crap again... I'm not interested.

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Reply #71 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:10am:

Apparently stratos doesn't accept answers they don't like matty

His response was based on opinion, and he said so himself.Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Oh and since that is the 1st time

asked many times this thread, and only received one response based on opinion.

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

likely picked to replace Belinda due to her se

Was likely picked...another personal opinion?

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

If you think being a female party hack

How exactly are you defining hack?

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

whose claim to fame is sitting behind the PM nodding is a measure of suitability

You could describe many many backbenchers with this description if you like.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #72 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:35am

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

A strawman is a false/created/confected argument... did you miss yourself doing that did you?

Thread started with "woman receives favourable treatment"

Turns into, "lets award things based on merit only"

I ask why she does not have the merit for the job.

Thats a pretty logical step in the argument

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #73 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:35am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

A strawman is a false/created/confected argument... did you miss yourself doing that did you?

Thread started with "woman receives favourable treatment"

Turns into, "lets award things based on merit only"

I ask why she does not have the merit for the job.

Thats a pretty logical step in the argument

A strawman is when I answer your question and you continually say I haven't, by creating fiction.

I don't care much about what others have said if it doesn't affect what I'm saying. I just joined in recently. Judge me by what I say and don't create a fiction out of it.
You've been answered... apparently Matty answered you too.
And if you are going to quote someone, quote them in their entirety so you don't lose meaning or context.
Don't waste my time. Cheesy

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Reply #74 - Nov 4^th, 2013 at 12:41pm

Quote:

Union boss Paul Howes' bid for Bob Carr's Senate spot looks over before it even starts amid complaints from within the party that it would breach Labor rules because a woman should be installed in the spot.

Instead, outgoing Robertson MP Deborah O'Neill, liquor union official Tara Moriarty and outgoing Senator Ursula Stephens are likely to jostle for the seat, Labor sources have told The Daily Telegraph.

Outgoing Foreign Affairs Minister Mr Carr is yet to announce his retirement but is widely expected to move on in the next few months.

AWU boss Mr Howes is understood to have expressed his interest to Sussex Street headquarters while not confirming he will run for the spot.

But, amid concerns that the Labor female quota of 40 per cent women is not being met, since two men were elected to NSW Labor Senate spots at the election and Ms Stephens missed out, it is expected a woman will be preselected.

"The rules say we have to have 40 per cent of women in the upper house representation," a Labor source said.

"There are four female Senators from NSW - three are from the Coalition and one from the Greens.

Seems a quota system exists.

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