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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #15 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Yet another BOGUS topic...

You should stop wasting your time.

A Shadow Minister has made a very public statement, and I believe he would only have done so on solid ground.

Or, are you telling me that the Shadow Minister has just left himself wide open for successful defamation action?

Huh, Grendel?

Really a very public statement? Really? So what channel can I watch it on or which newspaper can I read it in or what radio station was it broadcast on?
I thought you said you received it as part of their in house propaganda you know sent only to supporters
Oh and BTW what did the idiot Butler actually say?
He said harass these Liberal MPs... he had no proof, nothing he's set out the bait and reeled you in... sucker... Roll Eyes

I told you what he actually said. I posted it. But, as a special favour for the challenged, here it is:

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In just over a week the Government will move legislation to roll back action on climate change: their answer is to give taxpayers’ money to big polluters and deliver no action on climate change.

Labor accepts the science of climate change and we know we need effective action. That’s why on Friday Bill Shorten and I announced that we would only support the repeal of the carbon tax if the Government supports our amendments for an emissions trading scheme with a cap on pollution.

Meanwhile Tony Abbott is taking some heat from his colleagues who don’t agree with him.

Both Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop aren’t happy with their Government’s position and although Tony Abbott won’t listen to me, he might just pay attention to his most senior Ministers.

Can you call their offices and urge them to support our amendments to move to emissions trading in keeping with more than 40 other countries around the world? **Click here for their phone numbers.

We need to take a stand because we cannot afford to leave the challenge of climate change to future generations.

**Click here and get their phone numbers so you can call Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop to tell them you want effective action on climate change.

If you have friends and family who care about climate change too, forward this email to them and ask them to pick up the phone as well.

We’re on the right side of science and we’ll be on the right side of history. Together we can stand up for what we believe is right.

Thank you for your support,

Mark Butler
Shadow Minister for the Environment, Climate Change and Water

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #16 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:58pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Yet another BOGUS topic...

You should stop wasting your time.

A Shadow Minister has made a very public statement, and I believe he would only have done so on solid ground.

Or, are you telling me that the Shadow Minister has just left himself wide open for successful defamation action?

Huh, Grendel?

Really a very public statement? Really? So what channel can I watch it on or which newspaper can I read it in or what radio station was it broadcast on?
I thought you said you received it as part of their in house propaganda you know sent only to supporters
Oh and BTW what did the idiot Butler actually say?
He said harass these Liberal MPs... he had no proof, nothing he's set out the bait and reeled you in... sucker... Roll Eyes

I told you what he actually said. I posted it. But, as a special favour for the challenged, here it is:

Quote:

In just over a week the Government will move legislation to roll back action on climate change: their answer is to give taxpayers’ money to big polluters and deliver no action on climate change.

Labor accepts the science of climate change and we know we need effective action. That’s why on Friday Bill Shorten and I announced that we would only support the repeal of the carbon tax if the Government supports our amendments for an emissions trading scheme with a cap on pollution.

Meanwhile Tony Abbott is taking some heat from his colleagues who don’t agree with him.

Both Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop aren’t happy with their Government’s position and although Tony Abbott won’t listen to me, he might just pay attention to his most senior Ministers.

Can you call their offices and urge them to support our amendments to move to emissions trading in keeping with more than 40 other countries around the world? **Click here for their phone numbers.

We need to take a stand because we cannot afford to leave the challenge of climate change to future generations.

**Click here and get their phone numbers so you can call Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop to tell them you want effective action on climate change.

If you have friends and family who care about climate change too, forward this email to them and ask them to pick up the phone as well.

We’re on the right side of science and we’ll be on the right side of history. Together we can stand up for what we believe is right.

Thank you for your support,

Mark Butler
Shadow Minister for the Environment, Climate Change and Water

a biased truth-challenged ex-minister???

so not credible!

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38860 Gender:	Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax. Reply #17 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm Okay. Then I expect both Hockey and Bishop to be open in public and tell us all that what Butler sent across the Nation about them was bullshit. I'm looking forward to that, and if it does not happen, I conclude that what the Shadow Minister said is very likely true.
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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #18 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:40pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Yet another BOGUS topic...

You should stop wasting your time.

A Shadow Minister has made a very public statement, and I believe he would only have done so on solid ground.

Or, are you telling me that the Shadow Minister has just left himself wide open for successful defamation action?

Huh, Grendel?

Really a very public statement? Really? So what channel can I watch it on or which newspaper can I read it in or what radio station was it broadcast on?
I thought you said you received it as part of their in house propaganda you know sent only to supporters
Oh and BTW what did the idiot Butler actually say?
He said harass these Liberal MPs... he had no proof, nothing he's set out the bait and reeled you in... sucker... Roll Eyes

I told you what he actually said. I posted it. But, as a special favour for the challenged, here it is:

Quote:

In just over a week the Government will move legislation to roll back action on climate change: their answer is to give taxpayers’ money to big polluters and deliver no action on climate change.

Labor accepts the science of climate change and we know we need effective action. That’s why on Friday Bill Shorten and I announced that we would only support the repeal of the carbon tax if the Government supports our amendments for an emissions trading scheme with a cap on pollution.

Meanwhile Tony Abbott is taking some heat from his colleagues who don’t agree with him.

Both Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop aren’t happy with their Government’s position and although Tony Abbott won’t listen to me, he might just pay attention to his most senior Ministers.

Can you call their offices and urge them to support our amendments to move to emissions trading in keeping with more than 40 other countries around the world? **Click here for their phone numbers.

We need to take a stand because we cannot afford to leave the challenge of climate change to future generations.

**Click here and get their phone numbers so you can call Joe Hockey and Julie Bishop to tell them you want effective action on climate change.

If you have friends and family who care about climate change too, forward this email to them and ask them to pick up the phone as well.

We’re on the right side of science and we’ll be on the right side of history. Together we can stand up for what we believe is right.

Thank you for your support,

Mark Butler
Shadow Minister for the Environment, Climate Change and Water

Oh dear.... I know what he said... I already addressed it. Roll Eyes

You are the one with problems... You do know that a Shadow Minister is in opposition don't you? You do know that the ALP is the opposition don't you?
butler is an idiot, not that Labor have or had much talent since Rudd took over the first time.

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #19 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:44pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Okay. Then I expect both Hockey and Bishop to be open in public and tell us all that what Butler sent across the Nation about them was bullshit.

I'm looking forward to that, and if it does not happen, I conclude that what the Shadow Minister said is very likely true.

You need to go back to the start and read all my replies again... you might just get it then...
Of course on previous experience you may never get it at all.

THIS IS A BOGUS TOPIC based on ALP Propaganda, sent to ALP supporters...

Let me know when you get it Aussie. Roll Eyes

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #20 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:45pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Okay. Then I expect both Hockey and Bishop to be open in public and tell us all that what Butler sent across the Nation about them was bullshit.

I'm looking forward to that, and if it does not happen, I conclude that what the Shadow Minister said is very likely true.

Just what labor want. Guess what aussie. The adults are in charge and the immature, incompetent labor party can bicker and whine in front of the camera all they like. Every time they do, I grin. Slightly ammussing that thes idiots think this is what the people want after their debacle of rein.

Bwhaaa

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #21 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:53pm

Lets just take the party political crap out of the argument.
Who here thinks gifting major international corporations MORE of your $$$ with NO strings in the hope they'll change their operating practices is a good idea.
And exactly how will this achieve the stated target of a 5% reduction in emissions.

Or should we continue to use the stick approach of putting a price on said emissions whilst mitigating cost to consumers with the compensation which will still be continuing even if the penalties for polluting will be scrapped?

Are you happy to pay twice(compo and DA).

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #22 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:54pm

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Oh dear.... I know what he said... I already addressed it. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Well, no you didn't, but please carry on with that delusion. You use it quite a lot as part of your silly presence here.

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You are the one with problems...

Ha. You are the first to complain about lies you claim are posted about you. Yet, you have no care in the World about posting sheer rubbish in the direction of others. (I should say that I don't care less what you say about me, but others may be less robust and be intimidated by your blow hard crap.)

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You do know that a Shadow Minister is in opposition don't you? You do know that the ALP is the opposition don't you?

Gosh, when did that happen?

Cheesy

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butler is an idiot,

Why?

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not that Labor have or had much talent since Rudd took over the first time.

Not much. Okay.

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #23 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:03pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Okay. Then I expect both Hockey and Bishop to be open in public and tell us all that what Butler sent across the Nation about them was bullshit.

I'm looking forward to that, and if it does not happen, I conclude that what the Shadow Minister said is very likely true.

Just what labor want. Guess what aussie. The adults are in charge and the immature, incompetent labor party can bicker and whine in front of the camera all they like. Every time they do, I grin. Slightly ammussing that thes idiots think this is what the people want after their debacle of rein.

Bwhaaa

I'm not sure what you mean, but I have posted (in the OP) clear and credible comment that there is dis-unity at the top within the LNP Cabinet about this repeal.

It is now 'out there.' Let's see if Abbott (or Hockey or Bishop) denies it, wot?

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #24 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:43pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Okay. Then I expect both Hockey and Bishop to be open in public and tell us all that what Butler sent across the Nation about them was bullshit.

I'm looking forward to that, and if it does not happen, I conclude that what the Shadow Minister said is very likely true.

Just what labor want. Guess what aussie. The adults are in charge and the immature, incompetent labor party can bicker and whine in front of the camera all they like. Every time they do, I grin. Slightly ammussing that thes idiots think this is what the people want after their debacle of rein.

Bwhaaa

I'm not sure what you mean, but I have posted (in the OP) clear and credible comment that there is dis-unity at the top within the LNP Cabinet about this repeal.

It is now 'out there.' Let's see if Abbott (or Hockey or Bishop) denies it, wot?

Im sure you have because labor told you so. lol too funny.

As I said, this is how the adults deal with the children in their party and the babies next door making up stories.

Thry talk to their children. Show them the right path. The babies next dorr they do nothing about. Let them cry and whine. bwhaaha

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #25 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

Lets just take the party political crap out of the argument.
Who here thinks gifting major international corporations MORE of your $$$ with NO strings in the hope they'll change their operating practices is a good idea.
And exactly how will this achieve the stated target of a 5% reduction in emissions.

Or should we continue to use the stick approach of putting a price on said emissions whilst mitigating cost to consumers with the compensation which will still be continuing even if the penalties for polluting will be scrapped?

Are you happy to pay twice(compo and DA).

who said there are 'no strings'? you don't know the details of DA any more than I do.

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #27 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

Lets just take the party political crap out of the argument.
Who here thinks gifting major international corporations MORE of your $$$ with NO strings in the hope they'll change their operating practices is a good idea.
And exactly how will this achieve the stated target of a 5% reduction in emissions.

Or should we continue to use the stick approach of putting a price on said emissions whilst mitigating cost to consumers with the compensation which will still be continuing even if the penalties for polluting will be scrapped?

Are you happy to pay twice(compo and DA).

who said there are 'no strings'? you don't know the details of DA any more than I do.

Well seeing as they have started action to remove carbon pricing don't you think its time to tell us more?

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Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax.
Reply #28 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:14pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

Lets just take the party political crap out of the argument.
Who here thinks gifting major international corporations MORE of your $$$ with NO strings in the hope they'll change their operating practices is a good idea.
And exactly how will this achieve the stated target of a 5% reduction in emissions.

Or should we continue to use the stick approach of putting a price on said emissions whilst mitigating cost to consumers with the compensation which will still be continuing even if the penalties for polluting will be scrapped?

Are you happy to pay twice(compo and DA).

who said there are 'no strings'? you don't know the details of DA any more than I do.

Well seeing as they have started action to remove carbon pricing don't you think its time to tell us more?

maybe. you do know parliament opens soon? how about you wait for the details before saying pointlessly uninformed things?

and since Labor wont repeal the carbon tax there is another 6 months of extra waiting.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59355 Here Gender:	Re: Senior Libs bicker about repealing the carbon tax. Reply #29 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:19pm Hide the boats, no carbon price or huge maternity payments - there isn't much Abbott policy that anyone in his party actually agrees with.
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