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Reply #15 - Nov 5^th, 2013 at 8:52pm

salad in wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 8:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

It seems to me that this is another example of how the Rule of Law/Separation of Powers has been corrupted in Queensland.

Let's not go there.

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Queensland and the Westminster system

The Constitution of Queensland Act 2001, unlike the Australian Constitution, currently does not expressly provide that Ministers of the Crown have to be elected parliamentarians. By Westminster conventions, however, that is the case, thus allowing for "responsible Government". In another comparison with the Australian Constitution, the Queensland Constitution does not prescribe a rigid "separation of powers" and the Queensland Parliament could legislate to alter the judicial role of the State's courts.

On the other hand, because Queensland is part of a federation, the Australian High Court has overruled the State's authority in certain areas, through reference to the Federal Government's constitutional powers, e.g., Eddie Mabo and Others vs the State of Queensland, which granted land title rights to the original inhabitants of Murray Island.

http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/explore/about-us/parliament-overview/separation...

Yes, let's...

Sounds like it's been corrupted since Day One.

Also could/should be over-ruled by Federal law.

So, why isn't it?

Why is this travesty of 'justice' being permitted to continue?

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Reply #16 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 8:55am

The Qld judiciary should go on strike until their powers are reinstated.

That would fix Nazi Newman.
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QUEENSLAND'S 88 magistrates have been stripped of their ability to hear contested bail applications for alleged members of outlaw bikie gangs in a move which is set to inflame the judiciary.

Chief Magistrate Tim Carmody has issued an edict that will effectively ensure he makes all the decisions in cases of disputed bail for accused bikies.

The extraordinary decree by Judge Carmody will enrage members of the Queensland magistracy who will see the decision from the recently-appointed chief magistrate as a slight on their professionalism.

The practise direction, dated November 4, states it applies to any contested bail application throughout the state which has not yet been set down for hearing.

"Unless the Chief Magistrate otherwise orders in the interests of justice, all bail applications to which this practise direction applies, will be listed for hearing in Court 20 in the Brisbane Magistrates Court, not before 2.30pm,'' Judge Carmody said. "No more than 2 applications may be listed on one day.''

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/all-bikie-bail-decisions-usually-m...

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Reply #17 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:10am

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Its Carmodys version ot saying that the previous Judge lacked the balls for the task but he doesn't.

Which part of this (from the Bar Association of Queensland) did you not understand:

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The Bar Association this morning condemned Judge Carmody's directive, insisting the chief magistrate reconsider the decision.

"The Bar Association of Queensland does not support a practice by which applications brought by particular classes of citizens are brought before a particular judicial officer,'' president Roger Traves QC said.

"If that be the practical effect of the Practice Direction, then the Bar Association respectfully urges the Chief Magistrate to reconsider it.

"The principles of fairness and equality before the law are best served by the court as a whole dealing with these applications, not a designated judicial officer."

It seems to me that this is another example of how the Rule of Law/Separation of Powers has been corrupted in Queensland.

Does anyone reckon that Tim Carmody (a pissant LNP suck-hole Magistrate/Copper/Family Court wanker)....came out with that extraordinary directive without political direction? bugger me dead! He was given the job by Canbull.

Link.

Here we go again. Off to the real Judges who have not been 'bought.'

Thank Christ for 'Ivory Towers!'

you are getting yourself into a 'separation of powers' frenzy all the time and clearly you don't understand the concept. in this latest incident the chief justice decided that he would hear all contentionious bikie bail apps. Only ion your fevered mind is that political interference. it is at best an internal judicial debate.

every time you go on yet another separation of powers rant you show you have no clue what it actually is. what it does NOT mean is that the judiciary cannot be criticised... by anyone.

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Reply #19 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:14am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

The Qld judiciary should go on strike until their powers are reinstated.

That would fix Nazi Newman.
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QUEENSLAND'S 88 magistrates have been stripped of their ability to hear contested bail applications for alleged members of outlaw bikie gangs in a move which is set to inflame the judiciary.

Chief Magistrate Tim Carmody has issued an edict that will effectively ensure he makes all the decisions in cases of disputed bail for accused bikies.

The extraordinary decree by Judge Carmody will enrage members of the Queensland magistracy who will see the decision from the recently-appointed chief magistrate as a slight on their professionalism.

The practise direction, dated November 4, states it applies to any contested bail application throughout the state which has not yet been set down for hearing.

"Unless the Chief Magistrate otherwise orders in the interests of justice, all bail applications to which this practise direction applies, will be listed for hearing in Court 20 in the Brisbane Magistrates Court, not before 2.30pm,'' Judge Carmody said. "No more than 2 applications may be listed on one day.''

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/all-bikie-bail-decisions-usually-m...

are you even aware that newman DIDNT make this decision? are you even aware that the chief justice routinely makes decisions like this and that is they there even IS a chief justice??

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Reply #20 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am

People are not supporting criminals when they oppose these laws they are supporting justice and the rule of law.....When someone commits a crime the public expects the judiciary to apply the law fairly and evenly to all citizens and apply sentences that reflect the seriousness of the crimes they have committed.....These laws put the onus of proof onto the accused and add penalties that have nothing to do with the crimes they are alleged to have committed.....By all means let the full penalty of the law apply to those who are convicted of serious crimes but lets not confuse persecution and political grandstanding as justice!!!

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Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

The Qld judiciary should go on strike until their powers are reinstated.

That would fix Nazi Newman.
...........................................

QUEENSLAND'S 88 magistrates have been stripped of their ability to hear contested bail applications for alleged members of outlaw bikie gangs in a move which is set to inflame the judiciary.

Chief Magistrate Tim Carmody has issued an edict that will effectively ensure he makes all the decisions in cases of disputed bail for accused bikies.

The extraordinary decree by Judge Carmody will enrage members of the Queensland magistracy who will see the decision from the recently-appointed chief magistrate as a slight on their professionalism.

The practise direction, dated November 4, states it applies to any contested bail application throughout the state which has not yet been set down for hearing.

"Unless the Chief Magistrate otherwise orders in the interests of justice, all bail applications to which this practise direction applies, will be listed for hearing in Court 20 in the Brisbane Magistrates Court, not before 2.30pm,'' Judge Carmody said. "No more than 2 applications may be listed on one day.''

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/all-bikie-bail-decisions-usually-m...

are you even aware that newman DIDNT make this decision? are you even aware that the chief justice routinely makes decisions like this and that is they there even IS a chief justice??

Come on, turn it up! Carmody was appointed by Newman to this position in September, 2013. Is there anyone who really believes that Canbul has not contacted his Uncle Tom Magistrate and instructed him to take this action? It is the very reason Canbul appointed him......direct control of the Magistracy.

This is not a matter of routine at all. It is an extraordinary and unique practice direction from a political puppet.

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Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:36am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Its Carmodys version ot saying that the previous Judge lacked the balls for the task but he doesn't.

Which part of this (from the Bar Association of Queensland) did you not understand:

Quote:

The Bar Association this morning condemned Judge Carmody's directive, insisting the chief magistrate reconsider the decision.

"The Bar Association of Queensland does not support a practice by which applications brought by particular classes of citizens are brought before a particular judicial officer,'' president Roger Traves QC said.

"If that be the practical effect of the Practice Direction, then the Bar Association respectfully urges the Chief Magistrate to reconsider it.

"The principles of fairness and equality before the law are best served by the court as a whole dealing with these applications, not a designated judicial officer."

It seems to me that this is another example of how the Rule of Law/Separation of Powers has been corrupted in Queensland.

Does anyone reckon that Tim Carmody (a pissant LNP suck-hole Magistrate/Copper/Family Court wanker)....came out with that extraordinary directive without political direction? bugger me dead! He was given the job by Canbull.

Link.

Here we go again. Off to the real Judges who have not been 'bought.'

Thank Christ for 'Ivory Towers!'

you are getting yourself into a 'separation of powers' frenzy all the time and clearly you don't understand the concept. in this latest incident the chief justice decided that he would hear all contentionious bikie bail apps. Only ion your fevered mind is that political interference. it is at best an internal judicial debate.

every time you go on yet another separation of powers rant you show you have no clue what it actually is. what it does NOT mean is that the judiciary cannot be criticised... by anyone.

I am criticising Judge Carmody for being a lap dog of the Premier when he sidelines the rest of the judiciary who consider these new laws and apply them impartially.....In the cases where the alleged bikies where granted bail the judge clearly stated the prosecution had not proven the defendant was a member of a motor cycle club.....Should the judiciary ignore proof and just accept the prosecution case without any supporting evidence.....Apparently so in Newman's Queensland!!!

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Reply #23 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:33am

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:12am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

The march to facism continues Angry

Surveillance is security

How long before GreenPeace is classified as a Criminal organisation to facilitate gas/oil drilling in the Great Barrier Reef.

and bikies ARENT criminal organisations???

Our laws if applied correctly are sufficient to deal with bikies.

As we see it seems our law enforcement agencies are incapable in collecting enough EVIDENCE to secure a prosecution.

Remember the saying

I'd rather let 100 guilty go than imprison 1 innocent man.

Well its now the reverse in QLD.

On a personal note, it is really quite fascinating watch out society/democracy devolve.
Do you think it was like this in Germany in the 30's?

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Reply #24 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:12am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 8:42pm:

The march to facism continues Angry

Surveillance is security

How long before GreenPeace is classified as a Criminal organisation to facilitate gas/oil drilling in the Great Barrier Reef.

and bikies ARENT criminal organisations???

Our laws if applied correctly are sufficient to deal with bikies.

As we see it seems our law enforcement agencies are incapable in collecting enough EVIDENCE to secure a prosecution.

Remember the saying

I'd rather let 100 guilty go than imprison 1 innocent man.

Well its now the reverse in QLD.

On a personal note, it is really quite fascinating watch out society/democracy devolve.
Do you think it was like this in Germany in the 30's?

can we presume that was written long before Osama Bin Laden... walked the earth..

I dont think I would relish 100 Osamas walking free

just in case someone like David Hicks got caught in a compromising situation and spent time in jail...

I love the way you compare it with NAZI Germany... you didnt live there so you have no idea...

why dont you ask a nice Jewish person.. if this smacks of NAZI Germany in the 30s...

I do not believe for one minute if Ms Blyth brought this in.. it would get this same reaction from lefties..

she would get praise indeed... just like she did for reading out the weather report during the floods... and Abbott got condemned for helping to put out fires..

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Reply #25 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:54am

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

can we presume that was written long before Osama Bin Laden... walked the earth..

So your comparing standard criminal behaviour with International Terrorism?
Hyper-bowl much?

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I love the way you compare it with NAZI Germany... you didnt live there so you have no idea...

Did you miss the 1st 3 words

DO YOU THINK

Its a question not a statement

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

why dont you ask a nice Jewish person.

Imprisionment without proof
Imprisionment for association
Seizing of land & processions for what you are

You might not like their answer Cods

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

I do not believe for one minute if Ms Blyth brought this in.. it would get this same reaction from lefties..

Then you need to get help
This is not party political its and infringement on our rights of freedom of association Labor or Liberal

Some things in life are above politics, at least for most, but apparently not you, so sad Sad

cods wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

and Abbott got condemned for helping to put out fires..

No his condemned for making a political stunt out of it

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Reply #27 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Because QLDs last dictator worked out so well for everyone, amiright?

You refer to Joh ?
When QLD had zero debt, over over 1000 white people a week were coming here to live.

Yes, it was MUCH better.

Well there goes any credibility you have to comment on NSW Labor & Obeid.

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Reply #28 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Because QLDs last dictator worked out so well for everyone, amiright?

You refer to Joh ?
When QLD had zero debt, over over 1000 white people a week were coming here to live.

Yes, it was MUCH better.

Well there goes any credibility you have to comment on NSW Labor & Obeid.

ok. Does that mean I should not comment there any more ?
Just want to get the protocol correct

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Reply #29 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 2:12pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 2:06pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Because QLDs last dictator worked out so well for everyone, amiright?

You refer to Joh ?
When QLD had zero debt, over over 1000 white people a week were coming here to live.

Yes, it was MUCH better.

Well there goes any credibility you have to comment on NSW Labor & Obeid.

ok. Does that mean I should not comment there any more ?
Just want to get the protocol correct

Comment where & on whatever you like, just don't expect to be taken seriously if its a rant condemning Labors corruption.

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