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Reply #30 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:51pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

People are not supporting criminals when they oppose these laws they are supporting justice and the rule of law.....When someone commits a crime the public expects the judiciary to apply the law fairly and evenly to all citizens and apply sentences that reflect the seriousness of the crimes they have committed.....These laws put the onus of proof onto the accused and add penalties that have nothing to do with the crimes they are alleged to have committed.....By all means let the full penalty of the law apply to those who are convicted of serious crimes but lets not confuse persecution and political grandstanding as justice!!!

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where do you get this drivel??? onus of proof is STILL on the prosecution and will remain so. And since when do you think a whole lot of factors - including your associations and employment - don't affect sentencing???? it has been so for centuries.

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Reply #31 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:27am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 8:55am:

The Qld judiciary should go on strike until their powers are reinstated.

That would fix Nazi Newman.
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QUEENSLAND'S 88 magistrates have been stripped of their ability to hear contested bail applications for alleged members of outlaw bikie gangs in a move which is set to inflame the judiciary.

Chief Magistrate Tim Carmody has issued an edict that will effectively ensure he makes all the decisions in cases of disputed bail for accused bikies.

The extraordinary decree by Judge Carmody will enrage members of the Queensland magistracy who will see the decision from the recently-appointed chief magistrate as a slight on their professionalism.

The practise direction, dated November 4, states it applies to any contested bail application throughout the state which has not yet been set down for hearing.

"Unless the Chief Magistrate otherwise orders in the interests of justice, all bail applications to which this practise direction applies, will be listed for hearing in Court 20 in the Brisbane Magistrates Court, not before 2.30pm,'' Judge Carmody said. "No more than 2 applications may be listed on one day.''

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/all-bikie-bail-decisions-usually-m...

are you even aware that newman DIDNT make this decision? are you even aware that the chief justice routinely makes decisions like this and that is they there even IS a chief justice??

Come on, turn it up! Carmody was appointed by Newman to this position in September, 2013. Is there anyone who really believes that Canbul has not contacted his Uncle Tom Magistrate and instructed him to take this action? It is the very reason Canbul appointed him......direct control of the Magistracy.

This is not a matter of routine at all. It is an extraordinary and unique practice direction from a political puppet.

that is nothing more than slanderous presumption, ambulance-chaser. your arguments have started on shaky ground and moved to conspiracy and presumption.

it is hard to believe you were ever a lawyer, certainly not a good one. you cannot understand the basics of an argument. and the concepts of evidence and proof have clearly eluded you as posts like this tend to prove.

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Reply #32 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:10am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Its Carmodys version ot saying that the previous Judge lacked the balls for the task but he doesn't.

Which part of this (from the Bar Association of Queensland) did you not understand:

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The Bar Association this morning condemned Judge Carmody's directive, insisting the chief magistrate reconsider the decision.

"The Bar Association of Queensland does not support a practice by which applications brought by particular classes of citizens are brought before a particular judicial officer,'' president Roger Traves QC said.

"If that be the practical effect of the Practice Direction, then the Bar Association respectfully urges the Chief Magistrate to reconsider it.

"The principles of fairness and equality before the law are best served by the court as a whole dealing with these applications, not a designated judicial officer."

It seems to me that this is another example of how the Rule of Law/Separation of Powers has been corrupted in Queensland.

Does anyone reckon that Tim Carmody (a pissant LNP suck-hole Magistrate/Copper/Family Court wanker)....came out with that extraordinary directive without political direction? bugger me dead! He was given the job by Canbull.

Link.

Here we go again. Off to the real Judges who have not been 'bought.'

Thank Christ for 'Ivory Towers!'

you are getting yourself into a 'separation of powers' frenzy all the time and clearly you don't understand the concept. in this latest incident the chief justice decided that he would hear all contentionious bikie bail apps. Only ion your fevered mind is that political interference. it is at best an internal judicial debate.

every time you go on yet another separation of powers rant you show you have no clue what it actually is. what it does NOT mean is that the judiciary cannot be criticised... by anyone.

I am criticising Judge Carmody for being a lap dog of the Premier when he sidelines the rest of the judiciary who consider these new laws and apply them impartially.....In the cases where the alleged bikies where granted bail the judge clearly stated the prosecution had not proven the defendant was a member of a motor cycle club.....Should the judiciary ignore proof and just accept the prosecution case without any supporting evidence.....Apparently so in Newman's Queensland!!!

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conspiracy, conspiracy. is that all you can imagine or is there in your world of fantasy a possibility that since this is a contentious issue that the senior judge is taking them on??

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Reply #33 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:56pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:12am:

[quote author=dsmithy70 link=1383640568/13#13 date=1383648128]The march to facism continues Angry

Surveillance is security

How long before GreenPeace is classified as a Criminal organisation to facilitate gas/oil drilling in the Great Barrier Reef.

and bikies ARENT criminal organisations???

Our laws if applied correctly are sufficient to deal with bikies.

As we see it seems our law enforcement agencies are incapable in collecting enough EVIDENCE to secure a prosecution.

Remember the saying

I'd rather let 100 guilty go than imprison 1 innocent man.

Well its now the reverse in QLD.

On a personal note, it is really quite fascinating watch out society/democracy devolve.
Do you think it was like this in Germany in the 30's?[/quote]

I think that pretty much completes your transition from 'insightful debater' to 'bloody idiot'.

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Reply #34 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:59pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Because QLDs last dictator worked out so well for everyone, amiright?

You refer to Joh ?
When QLD had zero debt, over over 1000 white people a week were coming here to live.

Yes, it was MUCH better.

Well there goes any credibility you have to comment on NSW Labor & Obeid.

agreed. Joh was the most dangerous Premier we have ever had. the Joh for Pm movement was perhaps to most dangerous time in our federation. Joh was a dictator barely fettered by the law and constitution. as PM this nation would have had the worst time of it. The man didn't exactly believe in civil liberties and was a real racist - not the faux racist commonly referred to now but the kind the Ku Klux Lan would have been proud to have as a member.

and once again... from QLD - where all the nutters and potential dictators come from.

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Reply #35 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Because QLDs last dictator worked out so well for everyone, amiright?

You refer to Joh ?
When QLD had zero debt, over over 1000 white people a week were coming here to live.

Yes, it was MUCH better.

Well there goes any credibility you have to comment on NSW Labor & Obeid.

agreed. Joh was the most dangerous Premier we have ever had. the Joh for Pm movement was perhaps to most dangerous time in our federation. Joh was a dictator barely fettered by the law and constitution. as PM this nation would have had the worst time of it. The man didn't exactly believe in civil liberties and was a real racist - not the faux racist commonly referred to now but the kind the Ku Klux Lan would have been proud to have as a member.

and once again... from QLD - where all the nutters and potential dictators come from.

I always love it when you go out of your way to prove how truly ignorant you are about QLD.

You just can't help yourself, it's like you want to emulate bobby and nails for some buggered up reason.

Just stick stick to commenting on your boring ittle podunk backwater of a state and we will continue to be above average. Grin

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Reply #36 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 5^th, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Because QLDs last dictator worked out so well for everyone, amiright?

You refer to Joh ?
When QLD had zero debt, over over 1000 white people a week were coming here to live.

Yes, it was MUCH better.

Well there goes any credibility you have to comment on NSW Labor & Obeid.

agreed. Joh was the most dangerous Premier we have ever had. the Joh for Pm movement was perhaps to most dangerous time in our federation. Joh was a dictator barely fettered by the law and constitution. as PM this nation would have had the worst time of it. The man didn't exactly believe in civil liberties and was a real racist - not the faux racist commonly referred to now but the kind the Ku Klux Lan would have been proud to have as a member.

and once again... from QLD - where all the nutters and potential dictators come from.

I always love it when you go out of your way to prove how truly ignorant you are about QLD.

You just can't help yourself, it's like you want to emulate bobby and nails for some buggered up reason.

Just stick stick to commenting on your boring ittle podunk backwater of a state and we will continue to be above average. Grin

I don't care if you like Joh. a lot of Queenslanders did - to their shame. the man was a fascist leading a corrupt party and should have ended his days in jail. it is certainly where he belonged. When I hear QLDers going on about Joh 'protecting them from the southerners and the Feds' I am reminded of 1930s Germany which thought Hitler was doing the same thing.

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Reply #37 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

I don't care if you like Joh. a lot of Queenslanders did - to their shame. the man was a fascist leading a corrupt party and should have ended his days in jail. it is certainly where he belonged. When I hear QLDers going on about Joh 'protecting them from the southerners and the Feds' I am reminded of 1930s Germany which thought Hitler was doing the same thing.

Blah, blah, blah; you don't know sh1t about us or our state, just the usual ignorant crap from a dumb sh1t southener.

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Reply #38 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:22pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

I don't care if you like Joh. a lot of Queenslanders did - to their shame. the man was a fascist leading a corrupt party and should have ended his days in jail. it is certainly where he belonged. When I hear QLDers going on about Joh 'protecting them from the southerners and the Feds' I am reminded of 1930s Germany which thought Hitler was doing the same thing.

Blah, blah, blah; you don't know sh1t about us or our state, just the usual ignorant crap from a dumb sh1t southener.

I know that if there is a political nutter they come from QLD. I know that the most corrupt govt ever was Joh's. I know that the only Premier to lose an election and refuse to hand over his commission to the Governor was Joh.

that's enough for me to condemn him and those that supported him.

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Reply #40 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

I don't care if you like Joh. a lot of Queenslanders did - to their shame. the man was a fascist leading a corrupt party and should have ended his days in jail. it is certainly where he belonged. When I hear QLDers going on about Joh 'protecting them from the southerners and the Feds' I am reminded of 1930s Germany which thought Hitler was doing the same thing.

Blah, blah, blah; you don't know sh1t about us or our state, just the usual ignorant crap from a dumb sh1t southener.

I know that if there is a political nutter they come from QLD. I know that the most corrupt govt ever was Joh's. I know that the only Premier to lose an election and refuse to hand over his commission to the Governor was Joh.

that's enough for me to condemn him and those that supported him.

yes political nutters come from qld but so does all those lovely mining and tourism tax dollars to keep the ungrateful trewps down south from having to get a real job.

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Reply #41 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 7:38pm

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

I don't care if you like Joh. a lot of Queenslanders did - to their shame. the man was a fascist leading a corrupt party and should have ended his days in jail. it is certainly where he belonged. When I hear QLDers going on about Joh 'protecting them from the southerners and the Feds' I am reminded of 1930s Germany which thought Hitler was doing the same thing.

Blah, blah, blah; you don't know sh1t about us or our state, just the usual ignorant crap from a dumb sh1t southener.

I loved Joh.

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Reply #42 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

I don't care if you like Joh. a lot of Queenslanders did - to their shame. the man was a fascist leading a corrupt party and should have ended his days in jail. it is certainly where he belonged. When I hear QLDers going on about Joh 'protecting them from the southerners and the Feds' I am reminded of 1930s Germany which thought Hitler was doing the same thing.

Blah, blah, blah; you don't know sh1t about us or our state, just the usual ignorant crap from a dumb sh1t southener.

I loved Joh.

Ironic your against the Bikies then.

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Fitzgerald's report was submitted on 3 July 1989.[1] Based on the inquiry's final report,[5] a number of high-profile politicians were charged with crimes; notably Queensland Police Commissioner (Sir) Terry Lewis was charged with corruption.

Bjelke-Petersen himself was charged with perjury in respect of evidence given to the inquiry. The jury in the case remained deadlocked. In 1992 it was revealed that the jury foreman, Luke Shaw, was a member of the Young Nationals and was identified with the "Friends of Joh" movement. A special prosecutor announced in 1992 there would be no retrial because Sir Joh, then aged 81, was too old.

Jack Herbert had been the bagman, collecting bribes for police commissioner Terry Lewis from 1980. Lewis himself had been a bagman for former commissioner Francis Bischof.[3]

Lewis was convicted (and subsequently stripped of his knighthood), while the Bjelke-Petersen trial resulted in an mistrial[6] due to a hung jury amidst allegations that the jury foreman (later revealed to be a member of the youth wing of Bjelke-Petersen's National Party[7]) had misrepresented the state of deliberations to the judge.

Leisha Harvey former health minister, was charged with misappropriating of public funds as part of an investigation resulting from the findings of the inquiry. She spent one year in jail.[4] Don Lane, former transport minister, was sentenced to twelve months imprisonment for falsifying expense accounts.[4] Lane's resignation resulted in the 1989 Merthyr state by-election. Brian Austin, another former health minister, was convicted of misappropriating public funds. Hinze's resignation led to the 1988 South Coast state by-election.

Sounds like a criminal organisation.

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Reply #44 - Nov 6^th, 2013 at 9:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

I think that pretty much completes your transition from 'insightful debater' to 'bloody idiot'.

It was not meant in a literal sense.
I was not talking 38/9.
The "Night of the long Knives" was at the end to a long line of events.

The seed is still in the zip lock bag with a wet paper towel,

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