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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: If all the ice melted Reply #75 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 2:38pm lee wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 1:28pm: I wonder if that may be a source of West Antarctic ice melt? No ... Tony Abbott is the source of the West Antarctic ice melt
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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #76 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 2:46pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

# wrote on Nov 17^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

... how does one discuss sublimation without referring to a pressure-temperature phase diagram?
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Experience?

You're saying that, in theory, ice cannot sublime at standard pressure. I'm pointing out that, in practice, it does.

Try this experiment:
- put a naked ice cube in a freezer (a freezer with a fan to circulate the cold will work best);
- come back in a month or two and you will find that the cube is measurably smaller.

What do you think happened to the ice that's gone missing?

is this a closed system?

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why do you need circulating air?

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what temperature is the air?

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What humidity is in the freezer?

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Do you open the door during the few months you conduct this meticulous experiment?

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Are the seals on the freezer perfect?

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where do you think your little ice cube is located on this phase diagram?

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Who are you?

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Chimp, you're evidently struggling to rationalise your blunder.

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As closed as any real-world freezer.

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Did I say it was necessary?

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As I said elsewhere, most freezers are set at around -18C.

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What would be the humidity in any domestic freezer? Probably a good deal higher than Antarctica, I'd guess.

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Why would I?

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Is anything?

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No idea. I'm not pretending to pontificate on science. Just reporting real world experience.

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Myself.

Are you honestly saying that you've never noticed that ice cubes left in a freezer slowly sublime? That foods inadequately sealed lose their moisture in a freezer (AKA freezer burn)?

On another tack: can water vaporise below its boiling point? If so, how? If not, how come it does?

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #77 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:17pm

# wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 2:46pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

# wrote on Nov 17^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 17^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

... how does one discuss sublimation without referring to a pressure-temperature phase diagram?
...

Experience?

You're saying that, in theory, ice cannot sublime at standard pressure. I'm pointing out that, in practice, it does.

Try this experiment:
- put a naked ice cube in a freezer (a freezer with a fan to circulate the cold will work best);
- come back in a month or two and you will find that the cube is measurably smaller.

What do you think happened to the ice that's gone missing?

is this a closed system?

¹

why do you need circulating air?

²

what temperature is the air?

³

What humidity is in the freezer?

⁴

Do you open the door during the few months you conduct this meticulous experiment?

⁵

Are the seals on the freezer perfect?

⁶

where do you think your little ice cube is located on this phase diagram?

⁷

Who are you?

⁸

Chimp, you're evidently struggling to rationalise your blunder.

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As closed as any real-world freezer.

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Did I say it was necessary?

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As I said elsewhere, most freezers are set at around -18C.

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What would be the humidity in any domestic freezer? Probably a good deal higher than Antarctica, I'd guess.

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Why would I?

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Is anything?

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No idea. I'm not pretending to pontificate on science. Just reporting real world experience.

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Myself.

Are you honestly saying that you've never noticed that ice cubes left in a freezer slowly sublime? That foods inadequately sealed lose their moisture in a freezer (AKA freezer burn)?

On another tack: can water vaporise below its boiling point? If so, how? If not, how come it does?

who am I talking with now?

explain the mechanism whereby ice can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures.

youre not going to discuss your answer with muso and start to waffle on about monolayers of water without really explaining anything - AGAIN?

(the boiling point of water is also dependent ont eh ambient pressure - so you can get water to boil at room temperature if you like, by decreasing the pressure - but that's the point, you change the PRESSURE. You are stating that water can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures, two orders of magnitude higher than the Triple Point pressure. Explain the mechanism muso)

# can you see how the boiling point decreases on this graph as you lower the ambient pressure?

P-T phase diagrams are very useful tools in describing basic science don't you think?

Now explain your complicated pseudo-sublimation process at pressures above the Triple Point pressure

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #79 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

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who am I talking with now?

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explain the mechanism whereby ice can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures.

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youre not going to discuss your answer with muso and start to waffle on about monolayers of water without really explaining anything - AGAIN?

³

(the boiling point of water is also dependent ont eh ambient pressure - so you can get water to boil at room temperature if you like, by decreasing the pressure - but that's the point, you change the PRESSURE. You are stating that water can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures, two orders of magnitude higher than the Triple Point pressure. Explain the mechanism muso)

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Me

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You think that what I can't explain can't be happening, even if it is?

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Reporting, not explaining.

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If water cannot vaporise at standard temperature and pressure, then how come laundry dries on the line?

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #80 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:42pm

# wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

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who am I talking with now?

¹

explain the mechanism whereby ice can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures.

²

youre not going to discuss your answer with muso and start to waffle on about monolayers of water without really explaining anything - AGAIN?

³

(the boiling point of water is also dependent ont eh ambient pressure - so you can get water to boil at room temperature if you like, by decreasing the pressure - but that's the point, you change the PRESSURE. You are stating that water can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures, two orders of magnitude higher than the Triple Point pressure. Explain the mechanism muso)

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Me

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You think that what I can't explain can't be happening, even if it is?

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Reporting, not explaining.

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If water cannot vaporise at standard temperature and pressure, then how come laundry dries on the line?

Its not an examination nor is it an interrogation #

You made a claim that frozen water can undergo sublimation at pressures much greater than the Triple Point conditions, (ie at atmospheric pressure which is about 166 times greater than the Triple point pressure of 0.00603 ATM).

Explain the mechanism and theory that enables this to happen.

I am always keen to learn.

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #81 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 16^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

and what is that claim?

what are you trying to say in this forum?

What is the gist of your argument?

What exactly is your position on this very important issue?

Who are you, you filthy rotten walrus anal rim drip

You're claiming that it would be possible for all the ice in the world could melt. I'm saying that's it's impossible to see that scenario, because the polar regions always freeze during the winter. The warmest parts of the poles hardly ever melt during the summer, and that only lasts 5 months.

And if you said what you said to my face, I would put you on your arse, leaving you crying for your mum.

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #82 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 16^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

and what is that claim?

what are you trying to say in this forum?

What is the gist of your argument?

What exactly is your position on this very important issue?

Who are you, you filthy rotten walrus anal rim drip

You're claiming that it would be possible for all the ice in the world could melt. I'm saying that's it's impossible to see that scenario, because the polar regions always freeze during the winter. The warmest parts of the poles hardly ever melt during the summer, and that only lasts 5 months.

And if you said what you said to my face, I would put you on your arse, leaving you crying for your mum.

did you just get out of bed you deranged smelly cultist sloth maggot freak fascist

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #83 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

# wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

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who am I talking with now?

¹

explain the mechanism whereby ice can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures.

²

youre not going to discuss your answer with muso and start to waffle on about monolayers of water without really explaining anything - AGAIN?

³

(the boiling point of water is also dependent ont eh ambient pressure - so you can get water to boil at room temperature if you like, by decreasing the pressure - but that's the point, you change the PRESSURE. You are stating that water can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures, two orders of magnitude higher than the Triple Point pressure. Explain the mechanism muso)

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¹

Me

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You think that what I can't explain can't be happening, even if it is?

³

Reporting, not explaining.

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If water cannot vaporise at standard temperature and pressure, then how come laundry dries on the line?

Its not an examination nor is it an interrogation #

You made a claim

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that frozen water can undergo sublimation at pressures much greater than the Triple Point conditions, (ie at atmospheric pressure which is about 166 times greater than the Triple point pressure of 0.00603 ATM).

Explain the mechanism

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and theory that enables this to happen.

I am always keen to learn.

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No Chimp, I reported an observation, the accuracy of which you have not denied.

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You can't deny the fact, yet you appear to deny the possibility. Fascinating.

Amusing that you can't figure out why laundry dries.

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #84 - Nov 18^th, 2013 at 8:04pm

# wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

# wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 3:17pm:

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who am I talking with now?

¹

explain the mechanism whereby ice can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures.

²

youre not going to discuss your answer with muso and start to waffle on about monolayers of water without really explaining anything - AGAIN?

³

(the boiling point of water is also dependent ont eh ambient pressure - so you can get water to boil at room temperature if you like, by decreasing the pressure - but that's the point, you change the PRESSURE. You are stating that water can undergo sublimation at atmospheric pressures, two orders of magnitude higher than the Triple Point pressure. Explain the mechanism muso)

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¹

Me

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You think that what I can't explain can't be happening, even if it is?

³

Reporting, not explaining.

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If water cannot vaporise at standard temperature and pressure, then how come laundry dries on the line?

Its not an examination nor is it an interrogation #

You made a claim

¹

that frozen water can undergo sublimation at pressures much greater than the Triple Point conditions, (ie at atmospheric pressure which is about 166 times greater than the Triple point pressure of 0.00603 ATM).

Explain the mechanism

²

and theory that enables this to happen.

I am always keen to learn.

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No Chimp, I reported an observation, the accuracy of which you have not denied.

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You can't deny the fact, yet you appear to deny the possibility. Fascinating.

Amusing that you can't figure out why laundry dries.

so you will not even entertain a public explanation for the claims you make?

muso will be very fascinated in your performance in this particular thread

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #86 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 9:04am

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

did you just get out of bed you deranged smelly cultist sloth maggot freak fascist

No, I'm just sick of f***wits like yourself going around making childish name calling, because you can't even make an informed post of any value.

HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF NAME CALLING

THESE ARE ELITE MEDICAL AND PSYCHIATRIC ASSESSMENTS GIVEN OUT WITHOUT CHARGE YOU putrid rotting foul decaying skunk carcass freak maggot clown.

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #87 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 5:46pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 16^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

and what is that claim?

what are you trying to say in this forum?

What is the gist of your argument?

What exactly is your position on this very important issue?

Who are you, you filthy rotten walrus anal rim drip

You're claiming that it would be possible for all the ice in the world could melt. I'm saying that's it's impossible to see that scenario, because the polar regions always freeze during the winter. The warmest parts of the poles hardly ever melt during the summer, and that only lasts 5 months.

And if you said what you said to my face, I would put you on your arse, leaving you crying for your mum.

Wow, like someone can't handle an Internet forum and starts thinking violent thoughts Grin

let's bring on the nazi references .... Shocked

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Re: If all the ice melted
Reply #88 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 6:37pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 18^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

And if you said what you said to my face, I would put you on your arse, leaving you crying for your mum.

You'd do that to a woman?

Quote:

You're claiming that it would be possible for all the ice in the world could melt. I'm saying that's it's impossible to see that scenario, because the polar regions always freeze during the winter.

You'd have to go back 50 million years to find essentially ice-free polar regions.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: If all the ice melted Reply #89 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 6:51pm lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2013 at 10:11pm: Water vapour is in fact the largest Greenhouse Gas. It rates a mention at the EPA as well as lowly wiki. The hydrological cycle says what???
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