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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #30 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:40pm

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He also brought diabetes and heart disease due to his bad diet

What BS.... you don't catch diabetes or heart conditions like a disease. They are acquired through the personal choices people make in regards to their diets.

No one forces anyone to eat junk foods & abuse alcohol as a staple diet.

Rudd said sorry that should be the end of the matter.

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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #31 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:01pm

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:13am:

GA wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:29am:

[quote author=Innocent_bystander link=1384823142/6#6 date=1384842572]Too right, we should all apologise to the abbo for removing them from their pathetic animal like existence eeking out a living in the dirt like grubs, I bet their isn't an aboriginal around today that doesn't wish he could go back to that existence, walking around naked in the sun, half starved, diseased and worrying about where in the hell your next meal is coming from, what an idyllic lifestyle. Grin

Compared to what they've got now it would have been.

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Ah, so whitey makes them drink too much, neglect their children, abuse their women, eat crap food?

Well, these are some of the main cultural traits that define Aussie, to be sure. But this not the real problem. What these people need are occupations so that they can rebuild there self esteem. It's Aussie's love of the artificial and disdain for the traditional that has left many indigenous people without work in the (their) outback. If horses were to once again replace the motorbikes & helicopters used to move livestock there would be a lot more employment available for the indigenous people. The men would spend less time drinking & fighting, more time making money. These things would work together to help rebuild their confidence. And at the same time make our beef more marketable in places like Europe as untrucked, unrailed, pasture-fed, free-range etc. But the stupid Aussie grazier, being a non-traditionalist, can't see this. His only concern is for the quick buck, not his employees or livestock.

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Well, in that case, seeing that they are incapable of making better choices, whitey should force them into the correct choices: prohibit alcohol, take away the abused kids, severely punish abuses, prohibit process food purchases by anyone with at least 1/8 aboriginality.
Oh, and say sorry every time they want to act like free grown ups: "Sorry, Jimmy, not allowed, you can't be trusted to make the right decisions for yourself or your family.

Would that work for you?

Their behavior is similar to any other minority that has been deprived of choices. They need work that is in some way similar to what they were used to doing. They need to be taught how to build things like sandbag houses. Because building and working would be prerequisites to re-establishing their pride. There are plenty of answers, but don't expect them to come from politicians.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals Reply #32 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm My Grandfather was killed by krauts and they never apologised, last time I went to see the doctor he said causes of death can be hereditary so I steer clear of Germans now.
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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #33 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:48pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:40pm:

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He also brought diabetes and heart disease due to his bad diet

What BS.... you don't catch diabetes or heart conditions like a disease. They are acquired through the personal choices people make in regards to their diets.

Then why are they both considered as being diseases, moron. And they are not personal choices, moron. They are culturally related diseases in Aussieland, moron. If they were truly personal choices they wouldn't be so common, would they, moron.

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No one forces anyone to eat junk foods & abuse alcohol as a staple diet.

And no one forces Aussie to be a moron either. He just can't help being a moron. Maybe he needs some help?

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Rudd said sorry that should be the end of the matter.

Yes it should be the 'end' of the matter, because gestures like saying sorry should have been preceded by actions to restore decent standards of living to these people.

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aquascoot Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35241 Gender:	Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals Reply #34 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:31pm Innocent bystander wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: My Grandfather was killed by krauts and they never apologised, last time I went to see the doctor he said causes of death can be hereditary so I steer clear of Germans now.
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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #35 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:32pm

GA wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:40pm:

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He also brought diabetes and heart disease due to his bad diet

What BS.... you don't catch diabetes or heart conditions like a disease. They are acquired through the personal choices people make in regards to their diets.

Then why are they both considered as being diseases, moron. And they are not personal choices, moron. They are culturally related diseases in Aussieland, moron. If they were truly personal choices they wouldn't be so common, would they, moron.

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No one forces anyone to eat junk foods & abuse alcohol as a staple diet.

And no one forces Aussie to be a moron either. He just can't help being a moron. Maybe he needs some help?

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Rudd said sorry that should be the end of the matter.

Yes it should be the 'end' of the matter, because gestures like saying sorry should have been preceded by actions to restore decent standards of living to these people.

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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #36 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:36pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:24am:

more Soren selective racist bigotry

You filthy rotten putrid scoundrel

i cant quite see what arguement youre making there chimpy.
personally i think aboriginals who dont work, drink too much , beat their women and dont feed their kids are filthy rotten putrid scoundrels.
thoughts ?

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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #37 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 5:41am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:36pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:24am:

more Soren selective racist bigotry

You filthy rotten putrid scoundrel

i cant quite see what arguement youre making there chimpy.
personally i think aboriginals who dont work, drink too much , beat their women and dont feed their kids are filthy rotten putrid scoundrels.
thoughts ?

you sound like a bigot as well

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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #38 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 6:57am

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

The need for an apology is widely accepted.

I think apologies are just a current fashion statement.

That isn't to say that the ways Aborigines were treated back in the early days of our history weren't appalling. They were.
I've read some of the accounts and people were often brutal and inhumane.

Conditions even now are not good, but a lot of the problem has(I believe) to do with generational poverty and many of the next generation of children with damaged brains due to foetal alcohol syndrome. Just throwing a bucket of money at it won't fix it. Apologies won't fix it.

If someone does something wrong, they should apologise.
But those who did the most wrong in the past are long dead and you know what, I bet they went to their graves not sorry about a thing. We can't apologise for them. We shouldn't.

And the people who had the most wrong done to them, most of them are dead too, so it is too late.

We can have the govt say they are sorry those things happened, and that has been said.

But times were different, they were brutal times. I think we are trying to judge people from the past by today's standards and it is just we have a different mind set.

I wonder what, in 50 or 100 or 200 years time, people will look back at in our present society and wonder how on earth we didn't notice it or do something about it.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals Reply #39 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 3:56pm Apology does not need to be glib or arrogantly false. It can be a sincere expression of sorrow and guilt for past crimes. This was a heinous crime of genocide against Australian aboriginals.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals Reply #40 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 5:10pm Innocent bystander wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm: My Grandfather was killed by krauts and they never apologised, last time I went to see the doctor he said causes of death can be hereditary so I steer clear of Germans now. I'm sure everyone steers clear of you, so that wouldn't be hard.
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals Reply #41 - Nov 23^rd, 2013 at 5:16pm If you're going to apologise, at least do it while some of the actual offenders are still alive. ...doing it after they're dead is lame. ...doing generations later is, well.... gay.
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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #42 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 12:40am

If the offenders were alive they would be facing the international court for acts of genocide.

The issue of an apology represents accepting accountability for the wrongs and saying so publicly.

The UK education system does not use the word genocide in its description of UK transgressions during the projection of empire.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals Reply #43 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 10:07am What England should really apologise for is granting independence to all those African and Middle Eastern countries too soon. They have evidently been unable to make a go of it. They have been orphaned too soon. They could have done with a bit more education and guidance in modern civilisation.
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Re: When will UK apologize to Australian aboriginals
Reply #44 - Nov 24^th, 2013 at 10:30am

It doesn't make sense for British queen to apologies.
At the present Apologizing to Australia is like apologizing to herself because she is still Australian monarch and head of state of her colony called Australia.
Britain is waiting for Australia to become independent and sovereign country with own monarch or president and than to apologize for everything what was done in the past by British empire including:

- Establishing first world Gulags in Australia ( Robert Hughes "Australia beyond the fatal shore")

- Genocide on Aborigines

- Killing unknown number of people by caring out nuclear tests on Australian soil.

At this point of time this apology was issued by majesty's loyal servant Kevin Rudd.

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