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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #120 - Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 10:47am Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 10:24am: The original Arabic in 8/124 does not mention puberty or age of reason,do you want to put money on that? No, because I don't know. Thats why I'm asking for clarification. Also I don't bet - you should know that Baron.
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Reply #121 - Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:07am

Xaseui wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

So whats your point? Whats the difference between describing a female virgin "angel" with large breasts, and a human female virgin with large breasts?

I'll give you one large-titty virgin if you can tell me a valid difference between those two concepts.

One is usually depicted with wings, one isn't? One is considered a divine, immortal, mythical being while the other isn't? One is usually considered perfect and incorruptible and the other isn't?

So, when did I take delivery? Cheesy

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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #122 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:55am I'm still waiting for evidence to support those who claim Aisha was female. Aisha may have been a male.
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Reply #123 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:30am

I hereby present a group of photos of people wearing - mostly - the niqab. Can anyone tell me what sex the person residing in those mostly black tents is? In the absence of irrefutable evidence establishing that fact can this topic be closed please.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=the+niqab&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=...

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Reply #124 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:14am:

OK, on further investigation, the arabic phrase in question is used in both hadith. Interesting.

I have asked for further information on another islamic forum:
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?384065-Question-about-bukhari-hadith

lets see what responses we get.

I told you what the Arabic says in 8/124, it makes no mention of puberty or age of reason,Your only evidence that Aisha reached puberty is a mistranslation by Muhsin Khan which means you have zip zilch nothing for evidence that Aisha reached puberty before the dirty old pedo had coitus with when she was 9.

In this thread i posted a picture which for some reason is not shown, Abu Rashid did not criticise my Arabic reading skills or translation in this thread
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1347877013

Lots of people have seen your thread at ummah.com and does it surprise anyone the main reaction is-
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Mohammad's imaginary friend in the sky Allah speaking-

Oh you who have believed,do not ask about things which,if they are shown to you will distress you....
www.quran.com/5/101

39/8 and 63/131 both say Aisha had not reached puberty with the Indonesian translation from sunnah.com,8/124 makes no mention of puberty or even hints at it with the Indonesian translation

When you get a correct translation of 8/124 from Arabic to english instead of that mistranslation by Muhsin Khan your evidence for Aisha reaching puberty has gone missing and there is nothing anyone can do to help you.
Mo was Pedo.

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Reply #125 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:22pm:

And according to Baron, its ok to trust Aisha regarding the age she claims she was when she got married - but we totally can't trust her regarding the age she claims she was when she went through puberty.

Islamophobia - definitely nothing to do with cherry-picking the evidence Cheesy

Aisha did not say she went through puberty in bukhari 8/124, what does the original Arabic say Gandalf?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #126 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.
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Reply #127 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

The sahih hadeeth say Aisha had her dolls with her when she moved in with pedo $$Profit, they also say she was playing with dolls when she was with the $$Profit and he brought her friends over to play with her, we know prepubescent children are allowed to play with dolls and she was playing with them after she had coitus with Mo the pedo.
Aisha had her first menses around 15-16 on the journey to the very first Hajj.
There is ample evidence in this thread, those reading it can decide for themselves.

As for evidence i am still waiting for you to provide it to back your claim the Quran forbids having sex with prepubescent wife.
I guess finding that verse would be like looking for a turd under a rocking horse. Roll Eyes

Link to your outrageous claim you cannot provide evidence for-
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379120057/211#211

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Reply #128 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 7:23am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

As for evidence i am still waiting for you to provide it to back your claim the Quran forbids having sex with prepubescent wife.
I guess finding that verse would be like looking for a turd under a rocking horse. Roll Eyes Cool
Link to your outrageous claim you cannot provide evidence for-
www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379120057/211#211

I have dealt with these several times. Most recently:

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The requirement for a girl reaching physical and psychological maturity is mentioned several times in the quran. One particular verse on orphans is often cited as the most relevant here. In addition to this, the quran mandates that the girl must give consent - and with regards to the betrothal of children, the girl has the right to reject the betrothal once she reaches puberty if she decides she doesn't want to go through with it. The clear implication being that a marriage cannot be consummated until the girl reaches puberty.

With regard to Muhammad, every one of his wives gave their consent before he married them. And in Aisha's case, he waited 3 years between betrothal and consummation - clearly indicating that he waited until 1. she had reached puberty and 2. was comfortable with the idea of marrying him and gave him her consent.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379120057/199#199

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18626 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #129 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm No you have not, you are starting to sound like Abu. Cite the verse from here- www.quran.com
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #130 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 6:54pm don't be stupid - the verse is about orphans and its existence is not in dispute. Go google it, I'm sure you can find it. here you go, here's a pretty good case for what I was saying: http://www.answering-christianity.com/minimum_age_for_marriage.htm
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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #131 - Dec 7^th, 2013 at 6:27am I'm still waiting for irrefutable proof that Aisha was female. The clock is ticking. Halla loves facts and proof.
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Reply #132 - Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

It’s yours to disprove, it seems to me, unless it is of no importance whether Mohammed was a a case of raging priapism.

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Freedumb Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1101 WA Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #133 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 12:18am moses wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 2:54pm: muhammad only had sex with a little girl, because it's a great lesson for all mankind: if she's nine and you think she's mature enough, you can. (or something equally stupid was the muslim response. on this board recently) If it bleeds, we can kill it.
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Reply #134 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:04am

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

It’s yours to disprove, it seems to me, unless it is of no importance whether Mohammed was a a case of raging priapism.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty", Soren?

Oh, thats right, I forget this about Islam and Muslims, isn't it. Silly me! Roll Eyes

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