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Reply #135 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:59am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

It’s yours to disprove, it seems to me, unless it is of no importance whether Mohammed was a a case of raging priapism.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty", Soren?

Oh, thats right, I forget this about Islam and Muslims, isn't it. Silly me! Roll Eyes

The Islamic texts say Mo porked Aisha when she was 9.
Sahih hadith-sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #136 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

It’s yours to disprove, it seems to me, unless it is of no importance whether Mohammed was a a case of raging priapism.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty", Soren?

Oh, thats right, I forget this about Islam and Muslims, isn't it. Silly me! Roll Eyes

Indeed, silly you.
Islam has been proven to be at the heart of endless attrocities. It is not innocent.
And the court of public opinion is not a law court, Brain. Islam is the basis of a lot of disgusting and unacceptable deeds and practices. If you are a muslim the question comes up: how can you be a devotee of something like this?
Nonmuslims hold muslims responsible for the state of Islam. Muslims shape Islam, nobody else.

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Reply #137 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:41am

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

It’s yours to disprove, it seems to me, unless it is of no importance whether Mohammed was a a case of raging priapism.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty", Soren?

Oh, thats right, I forget this about Islam and Muslims, isn't it. Silly me! Roll Eyes

Indeed, silly you.
Islam has been proven to be at the heart of endless attrocities. It is not innocent.
And the court of public opinion is not a law court, Brain.

That’s right. In Australia, the law courts only convict the vegetarian and Armenian ones.

They let the Kurds off scott-free.

Lucky we have the court of public opinion, no?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #138 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 12:01pm Nonmuslims hold muslims responsible for the state of Islam. Muslims shape Islam, nobody else.
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14212 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #139 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:10pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:28pm: few people would defend a man in his 50's who marries a girl aged 6-9 years old. only muslims and paedophiles. ... as few people would defend slavery, in the United States, in 2014 BOTH must be seen in CONTEXT - as cultural "norms" in their day
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Reply #140 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

Muslims hold Muhammed to be an eternal example for all mankind to follow, not some backwards 7th century Arabian tribal warrior whose deeds are best left in the dark. Gadnalf for example was recently defending Muhammed's genocide an entire Jewish tribe in one day. There are plenty of Muslims around the world who follow Muhammed's example in marrying girls of 9 and even younger. When people try to reform this practice they come up against the brick wall of Islam.

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Reply #141 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 2:46pm

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:19am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:04am:

Soren wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 11:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:21pm:

OK Baron, but as I've been trying to point out from the very start, this is not my claim to prove. I am not the one claiming Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl - and no, the default position is not that she was prepubescent in the absence of any evidence.

It’s yours to disprove, it seems to me, unless it is of no importance whether Mohammed was a a case of raging priapism.

What happened to "innocent until proven guilty", Soren?

Oh, thats right, I forget this about Islam and Muslims, isn't it. Silly me! Roll Eyes

Indeed, silly you.
Islam has been proven to be at the heart of endless attrocities. It is not innocent.

Sure you want to go there?

Christianity, "has been proven to be at the heart of endless attrocities. It is not innocent", yet you remain silent on their record. I wonder why? No, you keep trying to persecute Muslims for something which occurred 1400 years ago and by the mores of the day was acceptable. History is littered with examples of marriages contracted and consumated with young brides. Marriage was often used as a diplomatic and political means of ensuring alliances. You have been told this many times but you keep attempting to judge what Muhammed did by modern moral standards, FD. It's silly and it's pointless. Roll Eyes

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And the court of public opinion is not a law court, Brain. Islam is the basis of a lot of disgusting and unacceptable deeds and practices. If you are a muslim the question comes up: how can you be a devotee of something like this?
Nonmuslims hold muslims responsible for the state of Islam. Muslims shape Islam, nobody else.

See my answer above. You judge people not on the basis of what they do but what what you claim they believe. That is the basis of persecution.

I'd also suggest that unless you are more even handed in your criticism, I will continue to charge you with bigotry and persecution. You do not take Christians to task for their failure to "shape Christianity." You concentrate completely and utterly on Mulims and Islam. One eyed? Yes, you are. You turn a blind-eye to anything Christians do, today in the name of Christianity in favour of attacking Muslims over something that ocurred over 1400 years ago. Roll Eyes

Using that logic, the Islamists are correct to point to the historical record of Christianity in the Crusades. Do you think that's fair? I don't. Both are historical points. Modern Christians turning a blind eye to cannibalism, persecution and intolerance of other religions and social groups, such as occurred in the Balkans and India and Africa, all on going, FD yet you remain silent on them. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #142 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:21pm

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Nonmuslims hold muslims responsible for the state of Islam. Muslims shape Islam, nobody else.

Muslims also shape the history of terrorism in Australia, old boy - especially when those convicted are Christians.

Even terror attacks by Christians against Muslims (the Turkish Consulate bombing and Embassy stabbing) mysteriously shift into acts of Muslim.terror.

That’s the Muselman for you - a shapeshifter. He’s cunning, no?

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Reply #143 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:26pm

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

Muslims hold Muhammed to be an eternal example for all mankind to follow, not some backwards 7th century Arabian tribal warrior whose deeds are best left in the dark. Gadnalf for example was recently defending Muhammed's genocide an entire Jewish tribe in one day. There are plenty of Muslims around the world who follow Muhammed's example in marrying girls of 9 and even younger. When people try to reform this practice they come up against the brick wall of Islam.

You’ve proven Mo’s paedophilia beyond the shadow of a doubt, FD. Put this thread in the Wiki.

It’s more evidence.

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Reply #144 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Nonmuslims hold muslims responsible for the state of Islam. Muslims shape Islam, nobody else.

Muslims also shape the history of terrorism in Australia, old boy - especially when those convicted are Christians.

Even terror attacks by Christians against Muslims (the Turkish Consulate bombing and Embassy stabbing) mysteriously shift into acts of Muslim.terror.

That’s the Muselman for you - a shapeshifter. He’s cunning, no?

So that evens out the 140 Australians killed around the world in the last decade or so and the many thousands of others killed in the name Islam. Armenian immigrants pissed off with Turkish genocide and its denial bombed the Turks and stabbed a Turk - and that somehow means that muslims are not responsible for Islam.
You are as cravenly dishonest and contemptible as Brain.

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Reply #145 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:28pm

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 9:21pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Nonmuslims hold muslims responsible for the state of Islam. Muslims shape Islam, nobody else.

Muslims also shape the history of terrorism in Australia, old boy - especially when those convicted are Christians.

Even terror attacks by Christians against Muslims (the Turkish Consulate bombing and Embassy stabbing) mysteriously shift into acts of Muslim.terror.

That’s the Muselman for you - a shapeshifter. He’s cunning, no?

So that evens out the 140 Australians killed around the world in the last decade or so and the many thousands of others also killed in the name Islam. Armenian immigrants pissed off with Turkish genocide and its denial bomsbed the Turks and stabbed a Turk - and that somehow means that muslims are not responsible for Islam.
you are as cravenly dishonest and contemptible as Brain.

I say, old chap, do you mean more dishonest than someone who pretends Armenians are Kurds to tell fibs about Islamic terrorism in Australia?

And then cravenly avoids their little porkie when it’s exposed?

I see what you mean, old boy. That would be completely dishonest, craven and contemptible.

Who would think they could get away with something like that?

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Reply #147 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:48pm

Soren wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Look up what I actually said, PB, don’rely on your addled memory.

Oh, I have. You were trying to pin the blame for one of the only two terrorist bombings in Australia on a Muselman.

And then, rather than coming out like a true University of Balogney scholar and saying, "whoops, I was wrong", you run away and hide from the searing light of truth.

I’m sure Heidegger had a term for this phenomenon.

What would Freud say?

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Reply #148 - Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:53pm

Ok, Armenians. There have been plenty of kurdish terrorist attacks agains Turks around the world, here it happened to be two cases by armenians.
TWO cases. 35+ years ago.

Siince then we had how many muslim plots foiled (Australian Muslims plotting against other Australians, not foreigners against other foreigners) and 140 Australians killed. Will the two Armenian attacks on Turks even it all out?
And how many non Australians have been murdered in the name Islam?

You have proven a diminishingly relevant point but not your honesty.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96333	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #149 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 12:56am But it is a jolly world.
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