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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #15 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:15pm \|dev\|null wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:09pm: Was that "heresay", heresy or hearsay? You are getting desperate. Your nose out of joint over your "American Indians"? Must be the reason why you're trying to open a new line of attack! happy with any of my stances thanks... you're the retard.
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Reply #16 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:51am:

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Traditional sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina;[8][9][10] with the exception of al-Tabari who records that she was ten years old.[11]

[8] ^ Jump up to: a b Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p. 157.
[9] ^ Jump up to: a b Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim, 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311, 41:4915, Sunan Abu Dawood, 41:4917
[10] ^ Jump up to: a b Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7
[11] ^ Jump up to: a b c d e f g h i D. A. Spellberg, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: the Legacy of A'isha bint Abi Bakr, Columbia University Press, 1994, p. 40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

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Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

people who live in glass houses eh gandalf... Roll Eyes

now do try not to cherry pick.

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Reply #17 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:18pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm:

...Aisha must have entered puberty early...

Its not early, but rather, considered within normal bounds by modern Western medical experts.

It is known that females from the Middle East and Africa generally reach puberty early than other people.

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Primary schoolgirls getting pregnant aged 10

Primary schoolgirls as young as 10 are getting pregnant, according to new figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7186620/Primary-schoolgirls-g...

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Call for sex education in primary school

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3190696.htm

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #18 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:23pm Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm: people who live in glass houses eh gandalf... Roll Eyes now do try not to cherry pick. What point are you making Grendel?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42236	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #19 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:08pm polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:23pm: Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm: people who live in glass houses eh gandalf... Roll Eyes now do try not to cherry pick. What point are you making Grendel? Something only known unto him?
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Reply #20 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 8:26am

True Colours wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:17pm:

...Aisha must have entered puberty early...

Its not early, but rather, considered within normal bounds by modern Western medical experts.

It is known that females from the Middle East and Africa generally reach puberty early than other people.

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Primary schoolgirls getting pregnant aged 10

Primary schoolgirls as young as 10 are getting pregnant, according to new figures released under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7186620/Primary-schoolgirls-g...

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Call for sex education in primary school

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3190696.htm

please don't quote me as saying things I did not...

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Reply #21 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 10:44am

muslims love their child sex, after all muhammad taught the great lesson: a nine year old girl has gone through her many transitional years of childhood / puberty / adolescence / maturity adulthood.

If some old perve muslim decrees she is ready for full blown sexual relations with a muslim degenerate five times her age, no one can argue. allah delivered the baby to muhammad in one of his (dreams).

Allah the satanic god of pedophilia. muhammad the deviate who performed the child abuse / sex.

Still some people keep making excuses for muslim's uncivilised decadence in 2013.

There is certainly evidence missing: there is no proof that Aisha, at nine years of age, had completely experienced those many formative years of childhood / puberty / adolescence / then maturing into a fully functioning adult.

This missing evidence is proof that muhammad was a pedophile.

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Reply #22 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12am

moses wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 10:44am:

This missing evidence is proof that muhammad was a pedophile.

Ahh I see how it works now - proving a claim is all about the absense of evidence, when all these centuries western scientific thought was based on the opposite approach. Better start rewriting all the textbooks moses Tongue

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Reply #23 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 1:00pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 7:15pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:09pm:

Was that "heresay", heresy or hearsay?

You are getting desperate. Your nose out of joint over your "American Indians"? Must be the reason why you're trying to open a new line of attack! Grin

happy with any of my stances thanks... you're the retard.

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Grendel's answer to everything: BLUSTER! Cheesy

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #24 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 1:29pm Got nothin' I see retard... just the usual sniping and trolling eh. gandalf... might do you good to actually read what people write and their links.
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Reply #25 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:27pm

gandalf wrote: Quote:

Ahh I see how it works now - proving a claim is all about the absense of evidence, when all these centuries western scientific thought was based on the opposite approach. Better start rewriting all the textbooks moses

You got it in one gandalf, it all comes down evidence, or the lack of it, to prove / disprove a claim.

The absence of proof that a nine year old girl had completely altered her physical and psychological attributes (a process that takes many years) to the point where she could be considered a mature sexual partner for a man five times her age, establishes one thing and one thing only: muhammad was a pedophile

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #26 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:29pm Grendel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 1:29pm: gandalf... might do you good to actually read what people write and their links. You mean the wiki and guardian articles that provide not a shred of supporting evidence for the claim that Aisha was prepubescent?
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #27 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 2:51pm Grendel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 1:29pm: Got nothin' I see retard... just the usual sniping and trolling eh. See your usual resort to insult and bluster... Blow any harder and you'd be classified as a Cyclone!
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Reply #28 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:28am:

The evidence irrefutably proves that Muhammad was a lustful filthy pedophile who was definitely banging a prebubescent girl....

we are just having a bit of technical difficulty actually locating that evidence at the moment. Embarrassed

Sorry for not being around recently Gandalf,i had a few dollars on the trifecta in the Melbourne cup had a huge win and took another holiday.

When we look at the so called evidence you produced claiming Aisha reached puberty, you only have this verse-
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I had seen my parents following Islam since i attained the age of puberty.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/8/124

Aisha's father was one of the first to convert to that horse manure Mohammad was selling called Islam, you claimed Aisha reached puberty before age 6 which only a muslim or an Islamic apologist with an IQ of less than 80 could believe. Cool

Aisha also said this-
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Since i reached the age when i could remember things, i have seen my parents following Islam.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/39/8

So what age was Aisha when she reached the age she could remember things, is that the same age as puberty?

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I never remembered my parents believing in any religion other than Islam.
I dont remember a single day passing without our being visited by that dirty old pedo claiming to be allah's messenger
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/63/131

These sahih hadeeth say Aisha saw her parents following Islam from the age she could remember things.

Ali Sina, an ex muslim from Iran (he quotes Bukhari which the shia reject so what sect was he from?) wrote this about Aisha and puberty which uses all Islamic texts to show Mo porked his prepubescent child bride.
Ali has done a fairly comprehensive job, the evidence shows Mo was Pedo.
www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Aisha_and_Puberty

Those who are ignorant about Islam could always ask for a second opinion on wiki islam or Mo being pedo from those filthy murtad's and apostates at the council of ex muslims forum.
www.councilofexmuslims.com

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #29 - Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:26pm Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 4:09pm: you claimed Aisha reached puberty before age 6 Muslims do not claim that Aishah reached puberty at 6. She obviously had definitely not reached puberty then because she did not move into the prophet's household when she was 6.
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