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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14212 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #150 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:50am freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 1:20pm: Muslims hold Muhammed to be an eternal example for all mankind to follow Muslims Christians hold Muhammed Christ to be an eternal example for all mankind to follow ... if only more of them were to "practice what they preach"
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Reply #151 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:21am

Foreigners attacking other foreigners in Australia 35 years ago will not counterbalance Australian muslims plotting bloody mayhem against other Australians and actually carrying them out against others overseas.
140 Australians have actually been killed in the name of Allah and jihad.
Countless others have also been killed around the world to the sounds of allahu akhbaring.

You will not be able to block this out with long winded faux outrage over mixing up armenians and kurds and turks decades ago.

NOW the problem is Islamic terrorism. There is no getting away from that, PB, no matter how thickly you lay on the sophistry.

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Reply #152 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

Soren wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:21am:

Foreigners attacking other foreigners in Australia 35 years ago will not counterbalance Australian muslims plotting bloody mayhem against other Australians and actually carrying them out against others overseas.
140 Australians have actually been killed in the name of Allah and jihad.
Countless others have also been killed around the world to the sounds of allahu akhbaring.

You will not be able to block this out with long winded faux outrage over mixing up armenians and kurds and turks decades ago.

NOW the problem is Islamic terrorism. There is no getting away from that, PB, no matter how thickly you lay on the sophistry..

NOW the problem is silly old boys like yourself getting your Armenians and Ananda Margas mixed up with your Muselmen - all because you have no actual evidence of the cause of your hysteria.

This time, your backpeddling is embarrassing. Next time, it will be worse. Your facts are twisted around your silly crusade, rather than the other way around. And when presented with the true facts, you preen.

Oh, Mr Sheen.

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Reply #153 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

Amazing the the anti-Islam crowd just don't get it when it comes to making factual errors.

It goes to the credibility of their agenda. When you perpetuate whoppers, not just once or twice, but time and time again as we see here over and over, it demonstrates that you are less interested in facts than you are in pushing an agenda. The standard "ok that particular fact may be wrong, but my point still stands" defense is a complete copout, as it doesn't address why you were willing to throw in whoppers without first checking if they were accurate in the first place.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #154 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

How could you possibly confuse Juctice Commando for the Armenian Genocide with Muslims?

Muslims were the victims in the attack - an attack which the old boy justifies as evening out the score.

These "slips" are more than mistakes - they’re a way of life. The old boy’s been doing this now for more than 10 years.

FD’s only been going since 2007.

They’re both lost.

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Reply #155 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:02pm

Just one of the more recent ones: FD opined that he found it "interesting" that more Aussie muslims were fighting for ISIS than were in our defense force.

There are 60 Australians fighting for jihadists in Syria. We don't even know how many of them are fighting for ISIS - but we know it is not all of them. Another 100 (according to ASIO) is "supporting" the jihadists one way or another.

Even if we include those 100 supporters in FD's calculation (which we probably shouldn't, given that the only context he mentioned it in was physically travelling overseas to fight), that makes 160 "fighters" for jihadists, of which an unknown percentage are actually fighting for ISIS.

Against that, there are currently 98 muslims in the ADF, in addition to 100 reservists. Thats 198 muslims signed up to the ADF. Whichever way you interpret FD's "interesting" claim, it is wrong - established by an incredibly easy perusal of the actual facts.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #156 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 7:21am:

Foreigners attacking other foreigners in Australia 35 years ago will not counterbalance Australian muslims plotting bloody mayhem against other Australians and actually carrying them out against others overseas.
140 Australians have actually been killed in the name of Allah and jihad.
Countless others have also been killed around the world to the sounds of allahu akhbaring.

You will not be able to block this out with long winded faux outrage over mixing up armenians and kurds and turks decades ago.

NOW the problem is Islamic terrorism. There is no getting away from that, PB, no matter how thickly you lay on the sophistry..

NOW the problem is silly old boys like yourself getting your Armenians and Ananda Margas mixed up with your Muselmen - all because you have no actual evidence of the cause of your hysteria.

This time, your backpeddling is embarrassing. Next time, it will be worse. Your facts are twisted around your silly crusade, rather than the other way around. And when presented with the true facts, you preen.

Oh, Mr Sheen.

I owned my mistake as soon as I realised it. But in the midst of thusands of truly islamic terroristattack, misattributing 2 of them 35 years ago doesnt change the lay of the land, PB.

The thing is, the armenian versus turks in australia is absolutely dwarfed into insignificance next to the relentless violence justfied in the name of Islam. There is no way of sweeping that under the carpet of my attributing 2 events to kurd rather than armenians from a period when kurdish terrorism was probably more significant than armenian revenge on the turks for what the kurds of the ottoman empire did to the armenians.

The very, very scant history of terrorism in australia, much of it foreigners-on-foreigners does not in any way comes anywhere near balancing the Islamic terror that has been going on around the world and which Muslims refuse to attribute to its obvious source and justification - Islam and Mohammed’s example.

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Reply #157 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 2:02pm:

Just one of the more recent ones: FD opined that he found it "interesting" that more Aussie muslims were fighting for ISIS than were in our defense force.

There are 60 Australians fighting for jihadists in Syria. We don't even know how many of them are fighting for ISIS - but we know it is not all of them. Another 100 (according to ASIO) is "supporting" the jihadists one way or another.

Against that, there are currently 98 muslims in the ADF, in addition to 100 reservists. Thats 198 muslims signed up to the ADF. Whichever way you interpret FD's "interesting" claim, it is wrong - established by an incredibly easy perusal of the actual facts.

You are starting to sound like Falah.

Got a cite for the numbers you have,show me the evidence.

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Currently there are 15 muslims serving in the Navy and 88 employed across the ADF.
news.navy.gov.au/en/Jul2013/People/172/Chief-of-Navy-appoints-an-Advisor-on-Isla...

Does the ADF need to appoint an advisor for other cultures or is Islam the only culture that needs special attention?

There are about 150 muslims fighting in Iraq and Syria-
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Our best estimate is that there are about 150 Australians who have been or are still fighting in Syria and beyond.

Iraq's ambassador to Australia,Mouayed Salah, said that Australians who fight for ISIS should be stripped of their Australian citizenship
english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/06/19/Official-150-Australians-fighting-in-Sy...

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #158 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm

The lay of the land, OB, is not one incident of Muslim terrorism in Australia. Two terrorist bombings - not one of them Muslim.

Terrorism in Indonesia does not come close to the lay of the land. Unless you haven’t noticef, it’s full of Muslims.

Not once did you own your mistake. Instead, you ran from it. You left threads where your "mistake" was mentioned. You hid.

This would be no real problem if you didn’t bristle with hypocrisy in your condemnation of others. After all, we all make mistakes.

Yours, however, are calculated, deliberate, and only acknowledged when you can no longer cover them up.

This is your work. This is what you do. It’s an agenda based on the glibbest of lies and slights of hand. Your little mistake is more than just an aberration, it’s what you stand for. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18626 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #159 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:35pm Karnal wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm: The lay of the land, OB, is not one incident of Muslim terrorism in Australia. Two terrorist bombings - not one of them Muslim. What about the Hakoah club and Israeli consulate bombings?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96333	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #160 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:55pm Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:35pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm: The lay of the land, OB, is not one incident of Muslim terrorism in Australia. Two terrorist bombings - not one of them Muslim. What about the Hakoah club and Israeli consulate bombings? Do you want to fill us in?
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Reply #161 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:22pm

Baron:

The ADF figure you cited yourself - the 100 muslims figure in the reserves took me about 5 seconds to find on google. I will post a source if you *REALLY* insist, but I don't think you are realy questioning that are you?

As for the 150 fighters - read your source again:

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In Syria, she said it seems that had moved from supporting the more moderate opposition groups to the more extreme ones and that includes the brutal group ISIS, or the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria - the al-Qaeda splinter group leading Sunni militants in Iraq.

150 people in total have apparently joined the fight since the conflict began over 3 years ago. As Bishop herself says, this includes people who joined the secular moderate groups - groups incidentally that the US and her allies directly supports. These groups have spent more time fighting the jihadists than they have the Assad regime. So no, we don't include these people when we are talking about head hacking crazy muslim jihadists.

As for how many are fighting or supporting the actual jihadists, ASIO agrees with my original assessment:

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ASIO believes there are about 60 Australians fighting with the two extremist al-Qa’ida derivatives, Jahabat-al-Nusra and the Islamic State in Syria or Iraq. We believe fifteen Australians have been killed in the current conflicts, including two young Australian suicide bombers. Another hundred people here in Australia are actively supporting these extremist groups

http://www.asio.gov.au/publications/speeches-and-statements/speeches-and-stateme...

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #162 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:31pm

Karnal wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

The lay of the land, OB, is not one incident of Muslim terrorism in Australia. Two terrorist bombings - not one of them Muslim.

Terrorism in Indonesia does not come close to the lay of the land. Unless you haven’t noticef, it’s full of Muslims.

It is a jolly world, no?

88 Australians were killed in Bali. The Australian Embassy was bombed in Jakarta.
Hello?!?

Elsewhere in cuddly, full of Muslims Indonesia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Indonesia#List_of_attacks

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Reply #163 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:52pm

[quote} author=Karnal link=1384840429/158#158 date=1412487165| You left threads where your "mistake" was mentioned. You hid.

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I don't monitor your posts like you do mine, dickheaddle.

When I saw the mistake, I corrected it. It is an insignificant mistake and certainly doesn't weaken the essential point.
It simply allows you to ignore the much larger issue and pretend that the difference between armenians and kurds attacking the turks in the '80 matters in any way when it comes to Islamic terrorism today and over the past decade or two.

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Reply #164 - Oct 5^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

Soren wrote on Oct 5^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

I don't monitor your posts like you do mine, dickheaddle.

When I saw the mistake, I corrected it. It is an insignificant mistake and certainly doesn't weaken the essential point.
It simply allows you to ignore the much larger issue and pretend that the difference between armenians and kurds attacking the turks in the '80 matters in any way when it comes to Islamic terrorism today and over the past decade or two.

Monitor your posts? But, old boy, are you saying you don’t post them to be read?

Sorry about that. I’ll try to ignore them if you like. I do ignore the silly ones like the above.

The ridiculous ones, however, deserve a bit of scrutiny. Call me old fashioned, but if there’s been a court case and a conviction, I do tend to take this as evidence. You, on the other hand, prefer it the other way around. You want to excuse non-Muslim killing and falsely accuse the Muslims.

And you accuse those who call you out as liars.

What a naughty old boy you are.

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