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Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!!
Nov 19^th, 2013 at 3:53pm

This is terrible - Ladies and Gentlemen, key pieces of evidence have mysteriously disappeared and must be found!

Recently Baron and Freediver have made the claim that Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl, and they *ASSURED* me they had the evidence to back it up:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2013 at 12:57pm:

No Gandalf. It is based on the fact that he had sex with a pre-pubescent 9 year old girl. I presented the relevant Islamic texts in the child brides thread

Did you FD? Relevant islamic texts that prove that "the fact the had sex with a prepubescent girl?

Of course! As FD explains:

freediver wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

I presented some a few days ago in the child brides thread. I have reposted it several times. So far you have not even responded to it.

Now over to the child bride thread, FD helpfully quotes this "reposted several times" post of his that contains the evidence that proves "the fact" that Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379120057/169#169

As it turns out "some" evidence is actually one single hadith that states:

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The Prophet () was screening me with his Rida' (garment covering the upper part of the body) while I was looking at the Ethiopians who were playing in the courtyard of the mosque. (I continued watching) till I was satisfied. So you may deduce from this event how a little girl (who has not reached the age of puberty) who is eager to enjoy amusement should be treated in this respect.

Oh dear. Surely theres some mistake here right? All this says is that Muhammad was screening his (presumably prepubescent) wife from public view. No saucy descriptions of intercourse, nothing even remotely suggesting that they were having, or had been having sex anywhere. Damn, what happened? WHO STOLE FD'S EVIDENCE???!!!

Obviously I was very concerned for FD - having his evidence go missing like that. So I inquired:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 11:37pm:

am I supposed to be looking at some sort of proof that Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl somewhere amongst that FD?

freediver wrote on Nov 15^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

Yes.

Clearly FD thinks that the evidence is still there - not realising the truth that it had GONE MISSING!!!

As if thats not bad enough - Baron has experienced the same tragedy - his evidence has also gone missing.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 15^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

You have one hadith where a 6 year old girl said she reached puberty which you believe and nobody else does, there are other sahih hadith that say she had not reached puberty which you conveniently disregard to justify your pedophile profit.

Poor Baron - its actually happened to him twice:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

Aisha got her first menses on the journey to the very first Hajj at around 15 years of age

Clearly he was so upset that this key evidence had gone missing that when I requested the evidence, he was just too devastated to even respond. Cry

Oh fellow islamophobes - please think of the humanity here. Help you fellow islamophobes find their missing evidence!

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Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

This is terrible! How can such momentous evidence go missing? We must organise a search party immediately!

I volunteer to go plumbing the depths of FD and the Baron's mucky brains in order to find this evidence! Wish me luck, Gandalf! I'll leave this safety line here, OK? If you feel me tugging on it, pull me back up, immediately!

Cheesy

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:28pm few people would defend a man in his 50's who marries a girl aged 6-9 years old. only muslims and paedophiles.
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:51pm Who takes freediver serious anyway.
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21669 ACT Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #4 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:58pm I would think freedivers word would be good enough for me! Especially relating to that Muslim pedophile.
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Reply #5 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:59pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

few people would defend a man in his 50's who marries a girl aged 6-9 years old.

only muslims and paedophiles.

Making excuses for the missing evidence? What a spineless apologetic!

Gods! It is so dark down here, I'm not surprised stuff has gone missing. There appears to be no sense to the filing system! Cheesy

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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #6 - Nov 19^th, 2013 at 7:47pm Redmond Neck wrote on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 4:58pm: I would think freedivers word would be good enough for me! Especially relating to that Muslim pedophile. I would think you need your head checked.
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #7 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 2:54pm muhammad only had sex with a little girl, because it's a great lesson for all mankind: if she's nine and you think she's mature enough, you can. (or something equally stupid was the muslim response. on this board recently)
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salad in Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5941	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #8 - Nov 20^th, 2013 at 3:38pm Brothers and sisters let's stop being so querulous. Everyone knows that Muhammmmar and ‘Ā’ishah bint Abī Bakr sat on the end of the bed at Mo's place and played monopoly. Sex didn't occupy the mind of Muhammmmar at all. That is an unmitigated fact.
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Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!!
Reply #9 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:28am

salad in wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 3:38pm:

Brothers and sisters let's stop being so querulous. Everyone knows that Muhammmmar and ‘Ā’ishah bint Abī Bakr sat on the end of the bed at Mo's place and played monopoly. Sex didn't occupy the mind of Muhammmmar at all. That is an unmitigated fact.

Salad, don't be obtuse. The evidence irrefutably proves that Muhammad was a lustful filthy pedophile who was definitely banging a prebubescent girl....

we are just having a bit of technical difficulty actually locating that evidence at the moment. Embarrassed

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Reply #10 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:51am

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Traditional sources state that Aisha was married to Muhammad at the age of six, but she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina;[8][9][10] with the exception of al-Tabari who records that she was ten years old.[11]

[8] ^ Jump up to: a b Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet, Harper San Francisco, 1992, p. 157.
[9] ^ Jump up to: a b Sahih al-Bukhari, 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim, 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311, 41:4915, Sunan Abu Dawood, 41:4917
[10] ^ Jump up to: a b Tabari, Volume 9, Page 131; Tabari, Volume 7, Page 7
[11] ^ Jump up to: a b c d e f g h i D. A. Spellberg, Politics, Gender, and the Islamic Past: the Legacy of A'isha bint Abi Bakr, Columbia University Press, 1994, p. 40
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

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Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #11 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:40am Relying on secondary sources? Hearsay isn't much good as evidence! By the way, doesn't "...most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters," run counter to the claims being made by some here about Muslims?
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Reply #12 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 12:26pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:40am:

Relying on secondary sources? Hearsay isn't much good as evidence! Cheesy

By the way, doesn't "...most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters," run counter to the claims being made by some here about Muslims? Cheesy

Here we go with the RETARD yet again.

We aren't talking about "most" Muslims are we retard?
heresay? I haven't hear anything.

In fact hard to post a fact you'd say wasn't heresay since I wasn't alive then nor was I a friend of Mohamed. Roll Eyes

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Evidence gone missing - PLEASE HELP!! Reply #13 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:09pm Was that "heresay", heresy or hearsay? You are getting desperate. Your nose out of joint over your "American Indians"? Must be the reason why you're trying to open a new line of attack!
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Reply #14 - Nov 21^st, 2013 at 1:22pm

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]Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself

And according to Baron, its ok to trust Aisha regarding the age she claims she was when she got married - but we totally can't trust her regarding the age she claims she was when she went through puberty.

Islamophobia - definitely nothing to do with cherry-picking the evidence Cheesy

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