polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:


Aisha saw her parents following Islam from the age she could remember things, you are clutching at straws in claiming a child younger than 6 had reached puberty, do you think anyone will believe Aisha reached puberty at such an early age or will they think it is another muslim defending their child molesting pedo profit?

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You are claiming she reached puberty from 8/124 yet she was still playing with dolls which would be haram  if she had reached puberty,do we ignore this sahih hadith which states she was playing with dolls and had not reached puberty
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Aisha was around 14 when this verse was revealed, your own Islamic websites state she had not reached puberty, do you think people will believe you or what is on your Islamic websites?
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Those sahih hadeeth that mention her first menses also said she was a little girl of tender age.

As usual we have muslims who cannot agree on anything from the niqab to islamic terror and even when Aisha reached puberty despite Allah saying Islam has been perfected in the quran.
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The Quran tells you to follow Mohammad's example in 33/21, do you believe it is ok to have sex with your 9 year old child bride if you claim she has reached puberty?

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 5:03pm:


Right so the description "tender age" is irrefutable proof of prepubescence in your book.

You are entitled to your opinion Baron, but I think any sensible objective observer would consider that a huge and quite ridiculous assumption.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:


Ahh I see. So Aisha reaching puberty is irrelevant to the claim that Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent girl 

You are hilarious.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 26^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:


A complete lie.

Nowhere in 65:4 does it say words to the effect "because they are too young", that is a complete invention on Sheik Munajid's part.

The actual translation from Sahih International:

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or if you like, Yusuf Ali - the other universal English translation:

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Note, the words "those who have not menstruated." and " for those who have no courses" - nothing hinting that they are not menstruating because they are too young. Merely stating that they are not, at that particular time, menstruating as per their normal cycle.

If you want to get technical...

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-david-liepert/islamic-pedophelia_b_814332.html

Or in other words, exactly as Sahih International and Yusuf Ali describe it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:


Website Baron, singular. Its a single website Don't try pretending this crackpot is in anyway representative of islamic scholarly opinion. Even Saudi Arabia have banned him.

Funny how you sift through the plethora of other islamic websites that vigorously argue that girls must have reached puberty. But then we are talking about someone who dismisses 5 out of 6 quranic translations (including the most universally accepted - sahih, Yusuf Ali and Pickthall) in favour of the one that just happens to fit most closely with your bigoted viewpoint.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:


God you ask moronic questions 

Read the smacking article Baron, half of it is spent arguing that Aisha was *NOT* 9 years at consummation - and cites some compelling evidence to support it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:16am:


um no thats you Baron. You reject the universal English translations of Sahih International and Yusuf Ali - plus the other 3 translations, in favour of the far more obscure Mushin Khan. Mainstream islamic scholarly opinion is all but unanimous about the meaning of 65:4, and that it does *NOT* refer to prepubescent girls. You just choose not to go out and see that for yourself, instead rely on what wiki-islam tells you to say.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:16am:


Ignoring sahih hadith? Like the one that clearly states Aisha had gone through puberty well before consummation?

Almost all of the sahih hadith that states she was 6 and 9 come from Aisha herself. The two that don't are almost certainly just parroting what Aisha said.

So in Baron world, Aisha's claims fall in two categories:

1. when she claims she was 6 and 9 = gospel truth
2. when she claims she had gone through puberty = absurd ramblings of a kid who has no clue.

Not that it matters - my argument all along has been based on the premise that 9 year old Aisha had already gone through puberty - since there is no evidence suggesting otherwise. The sum total of your failed attempt to refute this amounts to:

1. assumption that because Aisha *OWNED* dolls after consummation, it necessarily followed that she played with them, something supposedly banned for post-pubescent girls under Islamic law (though even if that was true, its no proof - since who's to say Aisha wasn't granted an exception?)

2. seizing on her description of herself as being "of tender age" as irrefutable proof that this meant "prepubescent"

3. quoting 65:4 - attempting (wrongly) to claim that islamic law allows sex with prepubescent girls - which even if true, is no proof whatsoever that Muhammad actually did that with Aisha.

4. Screaming "Mo was a pedo - do you expect a rational person to believe your lies" over and over again like a 4 year old.

In summary, not a single piece of evidence that comes even close to proving that Muhammad had sex with any prepubescent girl.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:


Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:


Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:


Oops sorry, left one out from the list of your arguments:

5. completely make stuff up about the ahadith.

Do you have any shame at all baron? Even just a little bit?