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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #120 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Verge wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 2:22pm:

A poll four years from an election. This is useful.

Three years, actually.

Moreover, there will be a federal senate election in WA within the next four months.

there has been no decision on that yet.

Yeas. I am pretty amazed at how everyone has just assumed there will be another Senate vote over there. It is possible, but it is not certain by any means.

For me, given how 1400 (+-) ballot papers were lost in the recount, logic suggests that (given no-one has ever said the first count was incorrect, as opposed to close) the results first time around will stand. But, if there is another WA Senate vote, I cannot see how the LNP can credibly claim they will do better, given the disasters we have already seen from Abbott.

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #122 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:36pm

Careful Stratos.

Quote:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 228B
Circumstances in which a non-citizen has no lawful right to come to Australia

         (1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, a non-citizen has, at a particular time, no lawful right to come to Australia if, at that time:

                  (a) the non-citizen does not hold a visa that is in effect; and

                  (b) the non-citizen is not covered by an exception referred to in subsection 42(2) or (2A); and

                  (c) the non-citizen is not permitted by regulations under subsection 42(3) to travel to Australia without a visa that is in effect.

         (2) To avoid doubt, a reference in subsection (1) to a non-citizen includes a reference to a non-citizen seeking protection or asylum (however described), whether or not Australia has, or may have, protection obligations in respect of the non-citizen:

                  (a) under the Refugees Convention as amended by the Refugees Protocol; or

                  (b) for any other reason.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s228b.html

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #124 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:37pm

Careful Stratos.

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COMMON LEGAL QUESTIONS ON IMMIGRATION

Who are illegal migrants?

Anyone in Australia who is not an Australian citizen and does not have a valid visa is "an unlawful non citizen" or what is referred to as an illegal migrant. Generally, all persons in Australia who are not citizens must have a visa.

http://www.iargel.com.au/Portals/Iargel/articles/commonquestionson_immi.pdf

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #125 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:39pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:06am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:55am:

I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time.

Oh cool you can report people for lying? Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned?

No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me.

I checked.

You lied.

Reported.

Have a nice day.

You did not check very well. Care to offer an apology to me now?

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has instructed departmental and detention centre staff to publicly refer to asylum seekers as ‘‘illegal’’ arrivals and as ‘‘detainees’’, rather than as clients.

The directive has been criticised as a ‘‘profound’’ shift by a leading asylum seeker agency, which says the new terminology is designed to dehumanise people.

In an email to detention centre staff, obtained by Fairfax Media, a department official writes: ‘‘The department has received correspondence from the minister clarifying his expectations about the department’s use of terminology. Accordingly we as [sic] that our service providers also adhere to the below instructions.’’

These include calling all people who arrive in Australia by boat ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, a marked change from the more moderate language used under the previous government.

When it came to office in 2007, Labor dropped the Howard government’s description of asylum seekers who arrived by boat as ‘‘illegal maritime arrivals’’, calling them ‘‘irregular maritime arrivals’’. It said this was done in recognition of the fact it is not illegal under Australian domestic law or international law to claim asylum. The new directive reverses this.

The email to detention centre and Serco staff also instructs them to describe asylum seekers being held in detention centres in Australia as ‘‘detainees’’ rather than as ‘‘clients’’, as they had been called under Labor.

People being held on Nauru and Papua New Guinea’s Manus Island are to be called ‘‘transferees’’, not ‘‘clients’’.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/minister-wants-boat-people...

LOL You fool. You just destroyed your own "argument".

Nowhere in that article does the government refer to asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants".

LOL Grin

I repeat.

I checked.

You lied.

You are still a liar.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp Reply #126 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:41pm Easy on armchair Gregory he is very touchy since his break.
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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #127 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:42pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven.
Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. Grin

At least we know the sooky boy now. Grin

Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

Do you really run and dob Teaspoon?

Are your arguments that weak?(rhetorical)

Are you that insecure in yourself & your political beliefs that you require protection.

Or do you think Tony's so weak as to need you to protect him?

Canberra reads this place, I know because they requested 1 of my posts be removed, a mod was gracious enough to inform the reason for my holiday.

Don't worry petal if big Tone(or should I say Herr Credin), ever thinks those accusations are finding traction the posters will find themselves banned & post removed or I'm sure FD will lose this site.

Some may call that blackmail & suppression of freedom of speech, in fact if it was a Labor government doing exactly what I've described you'd be 1st "Over the Top", but its Tone so it for our own good.
After all the "Grown ups are in charge"

Grown ups that apparently need your protection.

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #128 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:44pm

____ wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:06am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:55am:

I don't mind that he was accused. I do mind the fact that he was not convicted, yet you continue to call him a woman basher despite this not being what the court decided. Continue with the lie and you will be reported each time.

Oh cool you can report people for lying? Does that mean I can get people who call asylum seekers illegals banned?

No, the government calls them illegal immigrants. Check if you don't believe me.

"Illegal arrivals" is the spin from the con-alition for boat refugees.

Exactly.

They don't use the term "illegal immigrants" at all.

More lies from the bigoted right.

(They don't even have the intelligence to understand that they aren't 'immigrants').

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #129 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:46pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven.
Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. Grin

At least we know the sooky boy now. Grin

Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

Do you really run and dob Teaspoon?

Are your arguments that weak?(rhetorical)

Are you that insecure in yourself & your political beliefs that you require protection.

Or do you think Tony's so weak as to need you to protect him?

Canberra reads this place, I know because they requested 1 of my posts be removed, a mod was gracious enough to inform the reason for my holiday.

Don't worry petal if big Tone(or should I say Herr Credin), ever thinks those accusations are finding traction the posters will find themselves banned & post removed or I'm sure FD will lose this site.

Some may call that blackmail & suppression of freedom of speech, in fact if it was a Labor government doing exactly what I've described you'd be 1st "Over the Top", but its Tone so it for our own good.
After all the "Grown ups are in charge"

Grown ups that apparently need your protection.

Are you for real that " Canberra" asked for one of your posts to be removed smithy? If you are you should let the mainstream media know man, Imagine the headline? Gold.... Grin

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #130 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:48pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:46pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven.
Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. Grin

At least we know the sooky boy now. Grin

Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

Do you really run and dob Teaspoon?

Are your arguments that weak?(rhetorical)

Are you that insecure in yourself & your political beliefs that you require protection.

Or do you think Tony's so weak as to need you to protect him?

Canberra reads this place, I know because they requested 1 of my posts be removed, a mod was gracious enough to inform the reason for my holiday.

Don't worry petal if big Tone(or should I say Herr Credin), ever thinks those accusations are finding traction the posters will find themselves banned & post removed or I'm sure FD will lose this site.

Some may call that blackmail & suppression of freedom of speech, in fact if it was a Labor government doing exactly what I've described you'd be 1st "Over the Top", but its Tone so it for our own good.
After all the "Grown ups are in charge"

Grown ups that apparently need your protection.

Are you for real that " Canberra" asked for one of your posts to be removed smithy? If you are you should let the mainstream media know man, Imagine the headline? Gold.... Grin

LOL, if only it was one of my thinking posts.

However it was character assassination & deserved to be removed.

Although its target was thoroughly deserving IMO Wink

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #132 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:52pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 8:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:43am:

from the article:

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the quickest poll lead achieved by any federal opposition after losing an election.

Also, Greens back to where they were in 2010. So much for their terminal decline Grin

Poor Bill Glasson - about to get his arse handed to him twice in a row.

I doubt that. He won the primary vote last time. Only preferences got Rudd in.

it is hardly getting your 'arse handed to you' to lose in the safest labor seat in QLD and then only by preferences.

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Re: Labor ahead 52/48 tpp
Reply #134 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 4:28pm

Kat wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 3:30pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Funny armchair didn't run off to the mods when he was saying Gillard was guilty of illegal conduct which was unproven.
Running to the mods about other posters saying bad bad words about tony wony the phony pony they must have pissed them self laughing as hard as we all did. As for unsubstantiated claims, you best ask Andrei how his assertions Bob Carr is gay is going. Grin

At least we know the sooky boy now. Grin

Big difference between Gillard and some dodgy financial transactions and Abbott and the unproven allegations saying he punched a wall near a woman that did not stand up in court and which no person is willing to sign a stat dec to back up.

No difference at all, they were BOTH unproven.

Your hypocrisy is showing...

Big difference. For Gillard, there are legal documents and a money trail. For Abbott, nothing but accusations with zero proof to back them up and court action that was thrown out.

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