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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Thread Removal Nazi... Reply #15 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically. Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here. I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.
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Reply #17 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Is it too much to expect the standard of moderation to be UNBIASED and free of any political ideology? Or even more unusual, to moderate consistently and according to the rules not some opinon of subjective interpretation?

Obviously it's difficult to be impartial, particularly if you like some members more than others.

If a moderator decides someone needs a suspension - they could give that member a warning beforehand so they have a chance to redeem themselves.

Banning isn't something I'd advocate as a rule - sometimes just an explanation to a person as to why there are complaints is sufficient.

Still the moderators don't appear to have time for the preliminary niceties because of the size of this board.

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Reply #18 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically.
Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here.

I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.

Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private?

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Reply #19 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:43pm

You can have bias in political views but you should not have bias or favouring in moderation.
It really should be completely separate.

To achieve that end, if for example I seemed in an argument on something then I shouldn't wear a moderator hat in that area - even if the other person became abusive - but to have Muso or PN maybe make that call.

There's really nothing wrong in having a political bias and a neutral moderator view and it isn't hard.

The fact I'm not online during your day probably helps give a perspective by the time of my morning.

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Reply #20 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:44pm

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically.
Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here.

I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.

Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private?

No they shouldn't and my point was a generic one mantra.

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Reply #21 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:51pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically.
Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here.

I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.

Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private?

No they shouldn't and my point was a generic one mantra.

Such a kind and compassionate moderator but don't push Shocked

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Thread Removal Nazi... Reply #22 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:54pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:51pm: Such a kind and compassionate moderator but don't push Be good.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Thread Removal Nazi... Reply #23 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:55pm mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm: Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private? No, and yes in that order. (You're right)
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Reply #24 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:56pm

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically.
Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here.

I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.

Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private?

either would be preferable to the current experience of people being suspending without being given a reason either before or after - even when asking. it is more than pointless to punish someone for an offence they are unaware of and uninformed of.

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Reply #25 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

You can have bias in political views but you should not have bias or favouring in moderation.
It really should be completely separate.

To achieve that end, if for example I seemed in an argument on something then I shouldn't wear a moderator hat in that area - even if the other person became abusive - but to have Muso or PN maybe make that call.

There's really nothing wrong in having a political bias and a neutral moderator view and it isn't hard.

The fact I'm not online during your day probably helps give a perspective by the time of my morning.

if you can do that Andrei then judos to you. My complaint has always been that the opposite is the case. But I will give you one warning: don't support skippy. He is the exception to the rule. He will start petitions to have you removed - if indeed he hasnt already and helping him when he deserves it will only make him hate you more.

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Reply #26 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:04pm

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

Is it too much to expect the standard of moderation to be UNBIASED and free of any political ideology? Or even more unusual, to moderate consistently and according to the rules not some opinon of subjective interpretation?

Obviously it's difficult to be impartial, particularly if you like some members more than others.

If a moderator decides someone needs a suspension - they could give that member a warning beforehand so they have a chance to redeem themselves.

Banning isn't something I'd advocate as a rule - sometimes just an explanation to a person as to why there are complaints is sufficient.

Still the moderators don't appear to have time for the preliminary niceties because of the size of this board.

I always warn by PM first, I regard banning as a last resort except in very extreme cases.

That goes on Health & Welfare, as it does on other fora on which I moderate/administer.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Thread Removal Nazi... Reply #27 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:14pm muso wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:54pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:51pm: Such a kind and compassionate moderator but don't push Be good. Yes mum- no smoking what dad smoked got ya
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Reply #28 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically.
Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here.

I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.

Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private?

either would be preferable to the current experience of people being suspending without being given a reason either before or after - even when asking. it is more than pointless to punish someone for an offence they are unaware of and uninformed of.

I don't agree Shocked

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Reply #29 - Nov 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 25^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Chimp's "abuse" for me isn't specifically directed but rather chucked around as a kind of caricature generically.
Nonetheless if you or anyone else is offended, point out where and if it's valid then he'll likely go on a holiday from here.

I've read some of his stuff and felt only the need to ask him to stick to a subject.

Should members be threatened publicly with a holiday? Maybe it could be done in private?

either would be preferable to the current experience of people being suspending without being given a reason either before or after - even when asking. it is more than pointless to punish someone for an offence they are unaware of and uninformed of.

Longy,
you get suspended because you constantly abuse people.

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