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Reply #135 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Show me one majority Islamic Government that openly protects religious freedom of choice and its practitioners!

Anyone? Cool

Indonesia
Iran

Iran's is, by definition qualified but the Jews seem happy enough with their guaranteed freedom of religion whilst the Ba'hai seem to get the short end of the stick.

Brain, you are worse than naive. You are wilfully stoopid. You want to be stoopid.

You try to start a church in Iran. Or a synagogue.

Well, as I pointed out, the Jews appear to have no problems with living in Iran and refuse to move to Israel, therefore they must be able to start a synagogue, Soren. As to Christianity, it seems to operate easily enough in Iran.

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You look at how Indonesia treated the Christian East Timorese.

Well, it depends on what period you're talking about, Soren. Indonesian military and political treatment of Christians in East Timor varied quite considerably over the period of Indonesian Occupation. Overall, Christians were not persecuted for their religion. East Timorese were oppressed because of their rebellious nature.

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If Iran and Indonesia are your best examples of Islamic tolerance then you are on very, very thin ice.

They are good examples of what Lionel asked for, Soren. They refute the point he was trying to make. There are Islamic nations which have guarantees of religious freedom within their constitutions. How well they enforce them various from place to place and time to time, just as in any nation.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #136 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:59pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Show me one majority Islamic Government that openly protects religious freedom of choice and its practitioners!

Anyone? Cool

Indonesia
Iran

Iran's is, by definition qualified but the Jews seem happy enough with their guaranteed freedom of religion whilst the Ba'hai seem to get the short end of the stick.

Google both terrorism in Indonesia and Iran, Brian.

No Islamic influences?

Fail!

Moving the goalposts, Lionel? That was not the question of yours which I was answering. Roll Eyes

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #137 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Show me one majority Islamic Government that openly protects religious freedom of choice and its practitioners!

Anyone? Cool

Indonesia
Iran

Iran's is, by definition qualified but the Jews seem happy enough with their guaranteed freedom of religion whilst the Ba'hai seem to get the short end of the stick.

brian,

Your 'protestations' on behalf of a tolerant ISLAM have ZERO credibility.

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Brian_Ross, apologist for ISLAM, portraying an ISLAM which is benign.

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Tehran, 15 April (AKI) - Seven ancient synagogues in the Iranian capital, Tehran, have been destroyed by local authorities.

The synagogues were in the Oudlajan suburb of Tehran, where many Iranian Jews used to live.

"These buildings, which were part of our cultural, artistic and architectural heritage were burnt to the ground," said Ahmad Mohit Tabatabaii, the director of the International Council of Museums’ (ICOM) office in Tehran.

"With the excuse of renovating this ancient quarter, they are erasing a part of our history," said Tabatabaii.

He called for the government to intervene to stop the work commissioned by the local authorities.

A group of residents of Oudjalan have also sent a letter to the mayor of Tehran asking him to suspend the renovation work being carried out in the suburb.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=1.0.2075294012

Local Christians are routinely persecuted in both Iran and Indonesia.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #138 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:04pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

And that's Christianity's fault, yes?

No it isn't, and I'm glad you agree. Could you please then afford Islamic countries the same courtesy by not assuming everything wrong with them is purely the fault of Islam.

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:57pm:

Perhaps it should be noted that the behaviour of the more primitive peoples of PNG often resembles that of the more 'advanced' adherents of Islam.

What are you referring to here?

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #139 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:32pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:49pm:

I'm saying that PNG's human rights record is about as bad as you can get regarding the treatment of women (half of them are raped, three quarters suffer domestic abuse), and that this is coming from a country which is overwhelmingly Christian.

Muslim Pakis are killing their women for no other reason but that they gave birth to girls - and you have the smacking HIDE to ignore that and immediately divert to PNG in response?

Muslim Pakis are as primitive and backward and as smacking godawful as Papuans. That means that Islam has made no difference in Pakistan, it has kept them in the same degraded stupor as the stone age Papuans.

Is that your point? Because you are not making any other point or sense, Brain/Stavros/Tits/whoever you are.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #140 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:41pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:32pm:

Muslim Pakis are killing their women for no other reason but that they gave birth to girls - and you have the smacking HIDE to ignore that and immediately divert to PNG in response?

I have not ignored it, I answered the question clearly stating that I hope they are punished for their actions. i am simply pointing out that atrocities towards women are not exclusive towards cultures who have Islam as their religious background.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #141 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:32pm:

Muslim Pakis are killing their women for no other reason but that they gave birth to girls - and you have the smacking HIDE to ignore that and immediately divert to PNG in response?

I have not ignored it, I answered the question clearly stating that I hope they are punished for their actions. i am simply pointing out that atrocities towards women are not exclusive towards cultures who have Islam as their religious background.

Islam is supposed to be the final smacking word in ethics and morality and standards in human conduct. God's final word.

Why do you shelter it when it plainly doesn't live up to the very large and completely baseless claims it makes for itself??

Wake the foock up, as Samuel L Jackson would say. Wake the foock up, Stavros.

You would shelter and defend a smacking war criminal as long as he was a Muslim.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #142 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:09pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

Islam is supposed to be the final smacking word in ethics and morality and standards in human conduct. God's final word.

So is literally any religion.

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

Why do you shelter it when it plainly doesn't live up to the very large and completely baseless claims it makes for itself?

aw Soren, its so cute when you try and change the subject when you can't provide any valid points anymore.
Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

You would shelter and defend a smacking war criminal as long as he was a Muslim.

Find me one post of mine where I have defended extremism. Just one.

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

Wake the foock up, as Samuel L Jackson would say. Wake the foock up, Stavros.

So adorable when you get angry. Such a cutie.... Wink

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #143 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:19pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

Islam is supposed to be the final smacking word in ethics and morality and standards in human conduct. God's final word.

So is literally any religion.

Whoopty-smacking-doo!!! So Islam is not what it's all trumped up to be, then?

Thank you.

Your case of defending Islam is hereby buggered.

Islam is hereby open to every kind of criticism, ridicule and scorn - as it is not different from any religion.

And you imagined yourself clever....

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #144 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:29pm

Aw I got him excited.....
Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Your case of defending Islam is hereby buggered.

because it is open to criticism? Being open to criticism doesn't mean an argument is invalid. Jeez, going by your reasoning anything I would step forward to criticise would also be invalid. Try harder Soren

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

Islam is hereby open to every kind of criticism, ridicule and scorn - as it is not different from any religion.

Right, because for you up until now it hasn't been open to criticism ridicule and scorn. Are you drunk tonight or something?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #145 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 11:56pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 8:36pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:41pm:

Show me one majority Islamic Government that openly protects religious freedom of choice and its practitioners!

Anyone? Cool

Indonesia
Iran

Iran's is, by definition qualified but the Jews seem happy enough with their guaranteed freedom of religion whilst the Ba'hai seem to get the short end of the stick.

brian,

Your 'protestations' on behalf of a tolerant ISLAM have ZERO credibility.

According to whom? You, Yadda?

I hate to break this to you but you are the one with zero credibility. Your zealotry is self-defeating. You are, what you claim you oppose. You are intolerant, you are prejudiced, you are narrow-minded. You are everything that is a bigot. Roll Eyes

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #146 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:20pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:09pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

Islam is supposed to be the final smacking word in ethics and morality and standards in human conduct. God's final word.

So is literally any religion.

BS, Stavros, just BS.

Show me anything in judaism or christianity that says 'that's it, boys, nothing after this, this is the FINAL word'.

Don't bother to look because you won't find anything.

The reason is that the ethos of Judaism and Christianity (essentially Jewish religions) are completely and fundamentally different from Islam, essentially an anti-Jewish religion.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #147 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:24pm

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:20pm:

Shom me anything in judaim or christianity that says 'that's it, boys, nothing after this, this is the FINAL word'

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 14:6

If you aren't a Christian you are going to hell. That is literally the context.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #148 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:27pm

But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Aussies don't like Islam Reply #149 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:35pm Isaiah 46:9, lest you think think I'm doing this exclusively for Christianity "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me," Want me to keep going?
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