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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #45 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:00pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:54pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

Because I've met Muslims, have been friends with Muslims, and every single one I've met is not the offensive caricature you believe them to be. None of them wanted to commit any acts of violence.

But seeing as you look at a headscarf and see a terrorist, I'm guessing you have never had a conversation with a Muslim.

Ask them about Aisha, or apostates, or abrogation, or some of the 'colourful' quotes from the koran.

they change

You know, I've never met a Christian who advocated the criminalisation of divorce.... You realise many Muslims do not believe every little piece of doctrine in the Koran don't you? One of them even drank alcohol, acknowledging that you aren't suppsoed to based on the Koran

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #46 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

Soooo.... what do YOU like about Islam. I am very sorry, I cannot make it any simpler. I can see it still eludes you but I am afraid the the difficulty is at your end.

What do YOU like about Islam?

Six words. Do you understand the sentence? (you can ring a friend if you like)

Its followers

Stratos

It is true, moslems always appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'...

So long as you accept moslems on their own terms [i.e. so long as you unquestioningly accept the way moslems present themselves], and so long as you do not critically scrutinize the 'narrative' which moslems present to 'outsiders', about themselves, moslems always appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'.

And moslems are always very amiable and friendly if the uninformed 'outsider' uncritically accepts the 'narrative' which moslems present to the uninformed 'outsider', about the nature of ISLAM.

But the demeanor of moslems changes rapidly, if you as a non-moslem, become just a little to inquisitive, and then start asking probing questions.

That is simply infidel impertinence!

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ISLAM is a philosophy which insists that all good moslems must uncritically obey their religion [i.e. obey the leadership and instruction of its clerics].

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #47 - Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:34pm

Did you read what I posted at all? Here are some of the things Muslims I know have done.

1. drunk alcohol
2. not wearing a headscarf in the presence of men
3. women having short hair
4. unknowingly ate pork, then said it didn't matter because they couldn't have known

I'm pretty sure they aren't going to behead me if I question their religion

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #48 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:28am

Stratos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

Because I've met Muslims, have been friends with Muslims, and every single one I've met is not the offensive caricature you believe them to be. None of them wanted to commit any acts of violence.

They aren't muslims. They think they're muslims. They are the 2013 version of a muslim much like the people who call themselves christians; they are the 2013 version of a christian.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #49 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:28am

Stratos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

Did you read what I posted at all? Here are some of the things Muslims I know have done.

1. drunk alcohol
2. not wearing a headscarf in the presence of men
3. women having short hair
4. unknowingly ate pork, then said it didn't matter because they couldn't have known

I'm pretty sure they aren't going to behead me if I question their religion

They ain't phuking muslims.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #50 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:39am

salad in wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:28am:

They ain't phuking muslims.

You mean they don't fit your particular description of what you believe a Muslim to be, rather. They definitely consider them self Muslims. A lot of people see religion as a bit of a buffet, as in you only take the bits and pieces that you want to, and this applies to all religions.

It does not go- Non Muslim to Fundamentalist Extremist, there are an infinite series of spots in the middle.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #51 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 9:54pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

Because I've met Muslims, have been friends with Muslims, and every single one I've met is not the offensive caricature you believe them to be. None of them wanted to commit any acts of violence.

But seeing as you look at a headscarf and see a terrorist, I'm guessing you have never had a conversation with a Muslim.

Ask them about Aisha, or apostates, or abrogation, or some of the 'colourful' quotes from the koran.

they change

Oh yes indeed. Like Pavlov's dogs, the mood suddenly changes and they slip back into character at the mention of Islam and its grip upon their minds.

Ask them about the tenets in Islam that differ from Christianity. They know the question is a trap. They know they have nowhere to go except start talking about stoning homosexuals, and female adulterers, and apostates ... and how women are to cover themselves and be respectful chattels to their husbands, etc etc.

Whatever happened to the Human Rights people? We never hear them bewailing the lowly status of women in Muslim society ~ or any of the other Medieval attitudes and social values of Muslims. They reserve all their tantrums for white Christian society. Bloody hypocrites, the lot of them.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #52 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

Ask them about the tenets in Islam that differ from Christianity

The pillars of Islam?
1. Beleiving in One God only (also Christian)
2. Ritual Prayer (Christians are instructed to pray, although not at specific times)
3. Fasting (also done by Christians)
4. Giving Money (also done by Christians)
5. Pilgrimage (not done by Christians)

1 from 5 Herbert, you are getting better.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

women are to cover themselves

While not specific, this is in the Bible too.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

be respectful chattels to their husbands

Again, Christian wives are supposed to submit to their husbands in marriage.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

Whatever happened to the Human Rights people? We never hear them bewailing the lowly status of women in Muslim society

If someone posted on this board that Muslim women should <insert bad thing here> because of their religion, you better believe I would be here defending them. But no, xenophobes like yourself decide to attack an entire religion and culture on flimsy evidence of a few extremists in other countries.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #53 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:54am

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

You mean they don't fit your particular description of what you believe a Muslim to be, rather. They definitely consider them self Muslims. A lot of people see religion as a bit of a buffet, as in you only take the bits and pieces that you want to, and this applies to all religions.

It does not go- Non Muslim to Fundamentalist Extremist, there are an infinite series of spots in the middle.

You had better go to the next qur'an workshop when it tours your area.

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Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government?

Summary Answer:

Many Muslims are loyal to the non-Muslim countries in which they live, of course, but it is in spite of Islamic teaching. Unlike other faiths, Islam is not just a religion but a political system as well. The state is intended to be inseparable from religious rule. Islamic law, or Sharia, is complete and not designed to coexist with or be subordinate to other legal systems.

Muslims are not meant to be ruled by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is very clear that they are to resist unbelievers by any means until Islam establishes political supremacy. This doesn't mean that everyone must be forced to become Muslim, but rather that everyone must submit to Muslim rule.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/014-loyalty-to-non-muslim-government.htm

Islam is non-negotiable.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #54 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 9:19am

salad in wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

You mean they don't fit your particular description of what you believe a Muslim to be, rather. They definitely consider them self Muslims. A lot of people see religion as a bit of a buffet, as in you only take the bits and pieces that you want to, and this applies to all religions.

It does not go- Non Muslim to Fundamentalist Extremist, there are an infinite series of spots in the middle.

You had better go to the next qur'an workshop when it tours your area.

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Question:

Can Muslim citizens be loyal to a non-Muslim government?

Summary Answer:

Many Muslims are loyal to the non-Muslim countries in which they live, of course, but it is in spite of Islamic teaching. Unlike other faiths, Islam is not just a religion but a political system as well. The state is intended to be inseparable from religious rule. Islamic law, or Sharia, is complete and not designed to coexist with or be subordinate to other legal systems.

Muslims are not meant to be ruled by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is very clear that they are to resist unbelievers by any means until Islam establishes political supremacy. This doesn't mean that everyone must be forced to become Muslim, but rather that everyone must submit to Muslim rule.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/014-loyalty-to-non-muslim-government.htm

Islam is non-negotiable.

Theory vs Practice. There obviously is a difference, so why do you pretend otherwise?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #55 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:18am

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

Ask them about the tenets in Islam that differ from Christianity

The pillars of Islam?

No ~ the nasty stuff.

All the bits and pieces that are so repugnant to modern Western sensibilities.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

women are to cover themselves

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

While not specific, this is in the Bible too.

Redundant and obsolete ~ unlike as found in Muslim societies.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

be respectful chattels to their husbands

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

Again, Christian wives are supposed to submit to their husbands in marriage.

Redundant and obsolete ~ unlike as found in Muslim societies.

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

Whatever happened to the Human Rights people? We never hear them bewailing the lowly status of women in Muslim society

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 8:22am:

But no, xenophobes like yourself decide to attack an entire religion and culture on flimsy evidence of a few extremists in other countries.

'flimsy evidence' ... 'in other countries'.

I've spent the past 20 years watching news footage of the Muslim Faithful behaving like barbarians in a dozen Middle Eastern countries, all to the shouts of "ALLAHU AKBAR!".. and then blowing people up ... and a month of setting fire to France from one border to the other ... Twin Towers ... Madrid ... London Underground ... Moscow ... Beslan ... epidemic rape in Sweden ... 20 would-be mass-murderers languishing in our Australian jails ... The Grand Mufti of Australia giving sermons in sympathy of Muslim gang-rapists in our jails ... Nine Muslim countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan the UAE and Yemen, where homosexual activity carries the death penalty ... on and on and on.

And then the polls which reveal a staggering percentage of 'moderate Muslims' who privately support and sympathise with the violent ones amongst them.

Muslims have proved themselves to be by far the most troublesome migrants to Western countries. High unemployment, crime, violence, race-rape, etc

We're coming to the end of our conversations on this subject because I find it tiresome and pointless to keep repeating myself with apologists whose only interest is to defend a retarded Medieval culture against criticism and damning analysis.

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #56 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:22am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

No ~ the nasty stuff.

All the bits and pieces that are so repugnant to modern Western sensibilities.

Ah right, you said tenets, which usually refers to the "pillars"

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Redundant and obsolete ~ unlike as found in Muslim societies.

Still in the religious text though. Maybe they aren't real Christians unless they follow it?
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

Redundant and obsolete ~ unlike as found in Muslim societies.

Again, does that mean they aren't real Christians? its pretty clear after all that Christian wives are supposed to submit to their husbands (and, and not talk in church)Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

I've spent the past 20 years watching news footage of the Muslim Faithful behaving like barbarians in a dozen Middle Eastern countries, all to the shouts of "ALLAHU AKBAR!".. and then blowing people up ... and a month of setting fire to France from one border to the other ... Twin Towers ... Madrid ... London Underground ... Moscow ... Beslan ... epidemic rape in Sweden ... 20 would-be mass-murderers languishing in our Australian jails ... The Grand Mufti of Australia giving sermons in sympathy of Muslim gang-rapists in our jails ... Nine Muslim countries, Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan the UAE and Yemen, where homosexual activity carries the death penalty ... on and on and on.

And then the polls which reveal a staggering percentage of 'moderate Muslims' who privately support and sympathise with the violent ones amongst them.

Who wrote this and where did they get their information?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Aussies don't like Islam Reply #57 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:44am Quote: Stratos It is true, moslems always appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'... Well that's not true at all yadda... ever been to lakemba, bankstown, parramatta, auburn... you'll find a great many unfriendly muslims.
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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #58 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:49am

Stratos wrote on Nov 27^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

You realise many Muslims do not believe every little piece of doctrine in the Koran don't you? One of them even drank alcohol, acknowledging that you aren't suppsoed to based on the Koran

The Quran is very clear you cannot pick and choose what parts to believe in,Falah who is a muslim who posted here said that is how Islam differs from other religions.

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Allah speaking-
So do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part?
Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life:and on the day of resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment.
And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
www.quran.com/2/85

If you want those houris and the everlasting erection in paradise you cannot pick and choose what parts of Islam to believe in it is a package deal.

The Quran says alcohol is ok, watch muslims spin that into no contradiction...
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Allah speaking-
And from the fruits of the palm trees and grapevines you take intoxicant and good provision.
Indeed in that is a sign for people who reason.
www.quran.com/16/67

The Quran contradicts itself on alcohol, what does the fine print in the Quran say about contradictions
www.quran.com/4/82

I have an ex muslim friend who was a member of Lashkar e Taiba who did the Mumbai massacre, he went and fought with the Chechens, had his camps bombed in Iraq and Afghansitan,he learnt how to make bombs in the UAE.
A fundamentalist muslim (terrorist) will be a devout muslim not some wishy washy bacon eating beer drinking person who claims to be a muslim.

The death penalty for apostasy,blasphemy,homosexuals,adulterers,witchcraft,etc is more of a concern IMO than Islamic terror,over 10,000 people have been killed in Pakistan by Islamic terror in the last decade, the vast majority of them were killed by fellow muslims.
If you cannot criticise Islam or leave it without getting a death penalty how can Islam be reformed?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #59 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:53am

Grendel wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

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Stratos

It is true, moslems always appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'...

Well that's not true at all yadda...
ever been to lakemba, bankstown, parramatta, auburn... you'll find a great many unfriendly muslims.

LOL that meme of Yadda's does run into some difficulties when he starts posting his public beheading rallies.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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