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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #75 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 3:28pm

Big Dave wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 3:16pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

Grendel wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

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Stratos

It is true, moslems always appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'...

Well that's not true at all yadda...
ever been to lakemba, bankstown, parramatta, auburn... you'll find a great many unfriendly muslims.

How do you know?

Im willing to go with you to these places and test your theory.

I will even pay for your plane ticket where ever you are.

Is it true wally that many muslim Lebanese parents tell their children to hate the society around them and take from it what they can? I had a Lebanese fellow tell me that the other day.

How am I supposed to know.

Do you want to go with me to muslim areas and test your theory aswell?

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #76 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:53am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 10:44am:

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Stratos

It is true, moslems always appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'...

Well that's not true at all yadda...
ever been to lakemba, bankstown, parramatta, auburn... you'll find a great many unfriendly muslims.

LOL that meme of Yadda's does run into some difficulties when he starts posting his public beheading rallies.

Not at all gandalf.

THIS

, is how moslems like to portray ISLAM to 'outsiders';

IMAGE

Portraying an ISLAM which is benign.

gandalf.

That 'image' does not contradict my statement in post #46.

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But if we examine the undeclared and denied violent and

DECEITFUL

aspects of ISLAM, we discover an ISLAM which totally unacknowledged ;

e.g.

A Study in Muslim Doctrine
"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

WHEN THE MOSLEM SPEAKS ABOUT THE NATURE OF ISLAM [and about ISLAM's relationship with those who are not moslems]....
....WHAT THE MOSLEM SAYS, IS ALWAYS 'APPROPRIATE' TO THE MOMENT [AND IS OFTEN VEILED DECEIT AND LIES].

AND WHENEVER THE LIES ARE EXPOSED....
....IT IS ALWAYS DENIALS, AND MORE BARE FACED LIES.

e.g. #1,

"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about...
'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'."

THE KICKER...
"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely.

'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says

....."

Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/the-undercover-mosqu...

During the moslem interfaith 'outreach' 'opportunity', when the moslem speaks to Jews and Christians, the moslem 'line' is most often;

"We're all friends in our faith. Really, we are all 'the people of the book' and we all come from the same history."

But really, IN TRUTH, when moslems are speaking among themselves, moslems will speak candidly about the 'proper' and the 'guided' opinion that a moslem has towards Judaism and Christianity.

And if the immam is confronted with the example of his duplicity ?

He will merely claim that his statements have been 'misrepresented'.

e.g. #2,

A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a faith which condemns extremism and violence....

Quote:

Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

CONSIDER;
The Muslim Council of Britain, are not even concerned that people reading their website, can easily discover, that what the moslems [The Muslim Council of Britain] are declaring, are lies.

Because no one [no infidel in the UK with any 'public profile'] is going to contradict how moslems in the UK describe ISLAM [to non-moslems], even if what moslems say, about ISLAM, can be shown to be bare faced lies!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #78 - Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:23pm

Yadda, when you type can you stick to maybe two colours and font sizes? That really doesn't help your point.

And as always, every time you sprout these things, you are talking about a minority of believers, and not about anything which is happening in Australia. Hundreds of thousands of Australians are Muslims, if your point was valid don't you think we'd see some evidence of it?

Attack extremism all you want, i'll be there beside you, but to try and say they are all trying to overthrow western society is just wrong.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #79 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:06am

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:23pm:

Yadda, when you type can you stick to maybe two colours and font sizes? That really doesn't help your point.

And as always, every time you sprout these things, you are talking about a minority of believers, and not about anything which is happening in Australia. Hundreds of thousands of Australians are Muslims, if your point was valid don't you think we'd see some evidence of it?

Attack extremism all you want, i'll be there beside you, but to try and say they are all trying to overthrow western society is just wrong.

You're wasting your time. Yadda will ignore you and continue to post in Crayon like a pre-schooler. His message of hatred and intolerance is that of a Zealot. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #80 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 12:06am:

Stratos wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:23pm:

Yadda, when you type can you stick to maybe two colours and font sizes? That really doesn't help your point.

And as always, every time you sprout these things, you are talking about a minority of believers, and not about anything which is happening in Australia. Hundreds of thousands of Australians are Muslims, if your point was valid don't you think we'd see some evidence of it?

Attack extremism all you want, i'll be there beside you, but to try and say they are all trying to overthrow western society is just wrong.

You're wasting your time. Yadda will ignore you and continue to post in Crayon like a pre-schooler. His message of hatred and intolerance is that of a Zealot. Roll Eyes

brian, Stratos,

Which version of ISLAM is the definite article ?

#1;

THE KORAN....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends.....offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

THE HADITH....

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

Or #2;
THIS

, is how moslems like to portray ISLAM to 'outsiders';

IMAGE

Portraying an ISLAM which is benign.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #81 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 6:57am

In my post above;

Which is the real ISLAM ?

#1,

OR,

#2

????

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine
"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

IMAGE

Portraying an ISLAM which is benign.

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #82 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:07am

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

"Muslims are one ummah (community)

to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101

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IMAGE

Portraying an ISLAM which is benign.

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In my post above;

Which is the real ISLAM ?

#1,

OR,

#2

????

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #83 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:09am

You assume it is one or the other? You aren't either not a Muslim or an extremist Yadda.

Oh, and your description of Taqiyya is wrong. In the Koran it is stated to allow someone who would be killed or persecuted for the Islamic belief the option of hiding their faith.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that doctrine.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #84 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:12am

IMAGE...

Yes, 'ISLAM IS THE SOLUTION FOR EGYPT'.

"Ignore those placards. We are the moslems!!! And we believe in pluralism!
And anyone who says anything different, is an anti-ISLAMIC bigot!!!"

iIMAGE...

Yes, those people walking alongside that banner, are moslem IMPERSONATORS!!!!

.....because no 'true' moslem would express such views.

"But ignore that banner. We are the moslems!!! And we believe in pluralism!
And anyone who says anything different, is an anti-ISLAMIC bigot!!!"

"HONEST!"

"I'm a moslem! Would i lie to you ?"

i
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It is easy to 'dehumanise' moslems, because no moslem is a real person.

All moslems are liars, and false people.

For the moslem, lying and deceit, is a 'holy' religious cause.

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Google;

we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #85 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:19am

Stratos wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:09am:

You assume it is one or the other? You aren't either not a Muslim or an extremist Yadda.

Oh, and your description of Taqiyya is wrong.

In the Koran it is stated to allow someone who would be killed or persecuted for the Islamic belief the option of hiding their faith.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that doctrine.

WHAT DOES ISLAM SAY ?

WHAT DOES THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH SAY ?

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ecei"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028

"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101i

"Muslims are one ummah (community)

to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231

AND WHAT SHOULD MOSLEMS DO ?

WHAT DOES ALLAH SAY ?

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

AND ONCE MORE, WHAT DOES ISLAM SAY ?

WHAT DOES THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH SAY ?

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

bukhari/ #004.052.269

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #86 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:31am

Yadda wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Not at all gandalf.

That 'image' does not contradict my statement in post #46.

No, but this does:

Quote:

It is true, moslems always
appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'...

What is it Yadda?

Is it...
muslims = deceitful 'pulling-the-wool-over-everyone's-eyes' or...

muslims = go out of their way to look like raving lunatics?

I'm very confused Undecided

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #87 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:31am

Stratos wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:09am:

You assume it is one or the other? You aren't either not a Muslim or an extremist Yadda.

Oh, and your description of Taqiyya is wrong.

In the Koran it is stated to allow someone who would be killed or persecuted for the Islamic belief the option of hiding their faith.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that doctrine.

Stratos,

It is not possible to have a relationship with a person who is continually lying to you.

With the intent, to get you into his power, so that he may enslave and kill you.

And that is the intent, of moslems, of the moslem community.

HADITH....

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

n.b.

......"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

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Quote:

"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him;"

John Locke 1632-170

John Locke 1632-1704
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0

Moslems are the ones, who are at war, with all of mankind;

Ishaq: 204 - "'Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?' 'Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.'"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Aussies don't like Islam
Reply #88 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

Yadda wrote on Nov 28^th, 2013 at 11:05pm:

Not at all gandalf.

That 'image' does not contradict my statement in post #46.

No, but this does:

http://morganinterviews.zoomshare.com/files/Scumbags.jpg

Quote:

It is true, moslems always
appear very amiable and friendly to uninformed 'outsiders'...

What is it Yadda?

Is it...
muslims = deceitful 'pulling-the-wool-over-everyone's-eyes' or...

muslims = go out of their way to look like raving lunatics?

I'm very confused

That, is because you are a moslem.

That, is because you hate truth.

SATAN is the author of lies and confusion.

Those who are on a wrong [i.e. morally wrong] path, are often confused, and feel 'lost'.

You moslems, are the kuffar.

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gandalf,

You are, ...what you claim to hate and despise.

see also....

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Aussies don't like Islam Reply #89 - Nov 29^th, 2013 at 7:37am Taqiyya is about saving your skin by concealing your faith. It doesn't mean every word they say is a lie to westerners. No idea how you arrived at that conclusion. If you could reply without a page of nonsense and stick to whats relevant that would be peachy too.
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