wally1 wrote on Nov 29
th, 2013 at 8:41am:
Stratos wrote on Nov 29
th, 2013 at 8:38am:
Yadda, do you think that by posting exactly the same thing over and over again you are going to influence me more? I'm simply pointing out that the verses used in support of taqiyya do not demonstrate what you believe them to.
Can you stop spamming for crying out loud.
Interesting you notice this as well.
All yadda does is recycle his posts.HE posts the same copied posts on a weekly basis.
wally1, Stratos,
Have you noticed that
some of the moslems [n.b. certainly not all moslems!!] who are resident in non-moslem jurisdictions, portray ISLAM as a peaceful religion/philosophy, and claim that they support tolerance and societal plurality.
Q.
But in contrast, what do moslems in moslem jurisdictions say about ISLAM, and their right to rule over those who are not moslems?
A.
They say that it is their religious right, to rule over those who are not moslems.
BUT GETTING BACK TO THE MOSLEMS WHO PROMOTE PLURALISM;
It is instructive to observe, that while moslems have no political power, they can express support for pluralism and tolerance - because moslems themselves living in a non-moslem jurisdiction have no lawful authority to apply any other intent [e.g. Sharia law].
But in places where ISLAMISTS [moslems!] come to political authority ?
What happens then ?
Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Turkey.
e.g.
Ex Pres of Egypt, Mohamed Morsi was always portrayed [previous to his 'ascension' to political authority in Egypt, and previous to this YT exposure!] in the mainstream media as a 'mainstream' moderate moslem.....
But it is instructive to observe how moslems express their views,
#1, whenever moslems are speaking
candidly with other moslems.
#2, when moslems come within reach of exercising political authority.
Please watch this YT...
goto 45 secsMohamed Morsi-
"The Koran is our constitution -The Prophet Muhammad is our leader Jihad is our path - AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg+++
wally1, Stratos,
Where are the real moslems, moslems who have political authority, AND, who are tolerant, and believe in pluralism ?
Or are moslems only moderate, and peaceful, when they do not have any opportunity but to be constrained by the laws of non-moslem states ?It is not rocket science;
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.Again,
in every place where moslems have political authority,
moslems oppress and [often also] kill those who are not moslems -
BECAUSE, they are not moslems.The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260
ISLAMIC law texts declare, moslems can 'lawfully' kill 'unbelievers'/apostates,
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established.
Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110
n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."