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Reply #30 - Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:50pm:
muso wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Since organised religion is merely a way to control the masses, my reason for not being religious is that I do not wish to be controlled, especially with fairy tales.


OK,  that's your reason for not being religious with respect to organised religion.

What about  non organised religion with no Brothers Grimm type content?


don't believe in religion in any form ...  As I see it, religion serves three purposes,

1- control the masses,
2 - make money or
3 - give you a sense of hope

with 1 and 2 often using 3 for their advantage.

I don't want to control anyone, I'm not greedy and I'm not desperate enough to want a sense of false hope in my life, I'd rather deal with reality



Eye-wateringly stupid - with due respect (very little respect is due to such a mindless load of BS).

If you bothered to actually look around you, you would see that religion, whether in Europe, Asia or America, has been the engine room of civilising development - and of social reform, which goes directly against your stupid and lazy 'religion is control of the masses' nonsense.

Next time, think first. For a minute or two.



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Reply #31 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:18am
 
Reform has happened in spite of religion and much more slowly than it would have without it.

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Reply #32 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:49am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:18am:
Reform has happened in spite of religion and much more slowly than it would have without it.

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Not really. Many reformers have been Christian. The cessation of the slave trade was spear-headed by Christians.
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Reply #33 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:56am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:49am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:18am:
Reform has happened in spite of religion and much more slowly than it would have without it.

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Not really. Many reformers have been Christian. The cessation of the slave trade was spear-headed by Christians.


Everyone was xtian in those days though - @ least they said they were or got lynched. . . .

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Reply #34 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 2:15pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:56am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 10:49am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 10th, 2014 at 6:18am:
Reform has happened in spite of religion and much more slowly than it would have without it.

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Not really. Many reformers have been Christian. The cessation of the slave trade was spear-headed by Christians.


Everyone was xtian in those days though - @ least they said they were or got lynched. . . .

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Not true. Atheism and Deism have a history dating back before the early 19th century. Agnosticism maybe more recent, but the concept of such a position goes back far earlier than the 1800's. Not everyone back then declared themselves to be Christians.
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Reply #35 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:20pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Since organised religion is merely a way to control the masses


That is the stupidest, most reflexively unthinkingly load of stupendous BS of the last 5 minutes.

Take a bow.



why? was your post 6 minutes earlier?
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Reply #36 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 3:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2014 at 9:26pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:50pm:
muso wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:28pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 30th, 2013 at 9:11pm:
Since organised religion is merely a way to control the masses, my reason for not being religious is that I do not wish to be controlled, especially with fairy tales.


OK,  that's your reason for not being religious with respect to organised religion.

What about  non organised religion with no Brothers Grimm type content?


don't believe in religion in any form ...  As I see it, religion serves three purposes,

1- control the masses,
2 - make money or
3 - give you a sense of hope

with 1 and 2 often using 3 for their advantage.

I don't want to control anyone, I'm not greedy and I'm not desperate enough to want a sense of false hope in my life, I'd rather deal with reality



Eye-wateringly stupid - with due respect (very little respect is due to such a mindless load of BS).

If you bothered to actually look around you, you would see that religion, whether in Europe, Asia or America, has been the engine room of civilising development - and of social reform, which goes directly against your stupid and lazy 'religion is control of the masses' nonsense.

Next time, think first. For a minute or two.



they were able to develop civilisation and develop socially BECAUSE they could control the masses ...

you don't have to agree with my views, thats why they are my views.

By the way, I suggest you go and see an optometrist if you have problems with your eyes. Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #37 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 5:50pm
 
Raven can't get behind any religion that advocates child murder and genital mutilation.
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Reply #38 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 11:17am
 
Raven wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 5:50pm:
Raven can't get behind any religion that advocates child murder and genital mutilation.


And jihads, crusades, inquisitions, and raping children. Now we got Islam + Catholicism out of the way.  Wink
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Reply #39 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 7:50pm
 
The whole idea of spirituality, is to work on the spirit being that lives inside of yourself.
You can evolve spiritually, in a negative or positive sense.
Spirituality has nothing to do with a mighty God in the sky that dictates what you can and cannot do. Do wrong by the God and you will be punished -- that is religion, and therefore, a form of control.
Spirituality is misinterpreted as something completely opposite to what it's actually about and because of this a lot of people reject the whole lot!
Devoted Christians will reject any other form of spirituality, other than the one they believe in, because they think they will go to hell, and it is true of most religions.
Spiritual sects were wiped out by the Roman Catholic church because these sects wanted to be spiritual, but free of the bonds of the church and this was seen as heresy. As a result much of history has been wiped out, which is abominable.
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I can hardly think of a reason TO be religious.
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Reply #41 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 9:02pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
I can hardly think of a reason TO be religious.






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Reply #42 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 9:43pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
I can hardly think of a reason TO be religious.


Me either, but I think I could benefit from being spiritual.
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Reply #43 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:16am
 
Freedumb wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 9:43pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:57pm:
I can hardly think of a reason TO be religious.


Me either, but I think I could benefit from being spiritual.


You already are.
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Reply #44 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:02am
 
The very moment that religion became "organised" it's link to spirituality became at best tenuous, at worst, non existent.

Organised religion, particularly in relatively recent history, is nothing more than a tool to exert power and control. Ironically, it is not the religious basis that is necessarily wrong either, however, it is the interpretations of said religion and the actions taken by people and then justified as being in the name of their brand that has done this.

Further, the reformation periods have been both driven by people representing religions and (here is the kicker...) resisted by members of the very same religious groups.

Slavery is an excellent example of this. Whilst reformation was certainly participated in by members of Christian groups and a range of "god fearing" people, slavery was simultaneously conducted by, supported by and profited by from members of Christian groups and a range of "god fearing" people. As such, it cannot be said that organised religion was in anyway fully responsible for reformation at least not without highlighting that it was simultaneously responsible for the very issues that required reforming...

In my opinion, organised religion is not actually in our species long term best interests. Just look at the bloody history also attached to organised religion, particularly when opposing religious views run into each other.

It may well be a case of "and then man made God in the image that most suited man's ego and ensured maximum leverage for a minority to exercise power over the masses...."
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