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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election Reply #15 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:22am Armchair has to be an eight year old girl given her sooky posts and running off to the mods with anything she doesn't like. Imagine starting a sooky me too thread like this? Eight year old stuff. In fact that's being unfair to eight year old girls.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election Reply #16 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:29am Only an insane person would think the speedo kid is going to be any more than a one term wonder. I knew he was going to be crap but even I couldn't imagine just how dismal one term tony was actually gonna be.
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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #17 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.

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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #18 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:02am

adelcrow wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:29am:

Only an insane person would think the speedo kid is going to be any more than a one term wonder.
I knew he was going to be crap but even I couldn't imagine just how dismal one term tony was actually gonna be.

Another day another dollar eh crow?
Labor rates are rather poor. Grin

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #19 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am

Bam wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.

I agree... but all the commentators and the parties use this logic.

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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting.

really? where?

So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures,

One being Labor induced right the other being China induced.

put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling

, rubbish...

have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling

more rubbish...

and have lied to the Australian people about education funding.

true.

There's more to come as well.

Undoubtably... 3 more years of it and odds are, it won't all be bad...

Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

No matter what happens, without the carbon tax they will be less than they would have been with it.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.

But we aren't. The last Coalition government even left Labor with a life-raft of funds... remember? How soon we forget eh.
If you want to claim to be fair... be fair.

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #20 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable.

Incompetent governments are electable.

Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is.

REALLY ?

( ... repost - from pre-election)

Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving
credit, where credit is DUE

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Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick
before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night.

''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said.

He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries.

This is in stark contrast to his protégé and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday
.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-t...

Australia’s
GFC stimulus debt
is the second lowest in the OECD.
Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP.

This compares to Japan at 224%,
Greece at 193.2%,
Portugal at 133.1%,
Italy at 129.6%,
Ireland at 127.7%,
United States at 113%,
France at 108.2%,
UK at 110.4%,
Canada at 85.5%,
Spain at 100.2%
Germany at 86.2%.

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The BIG ticks of APPROVAL come from ...

Standard & Poor's
Moody's
Fitch's
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)
EuroMoney (Finance Minister of the Year Honours)
The International Monetary Fund (IMF)
The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA)
The Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... by stealth)
The Butcher
The Baker
The Candlestick Maker

... and NOW - a few days back - the former member for Bennelong is singing the praises of Swan and the Gillard Government's economic track record

The ONLY talking down of the economy and the Federal Treasurer is coming from the Opposition, NEWS Ltd - and Sydney shock-jocks

I know who I trust

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #21 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:50am:

I would think that the election of the current government rather renders that position untenable.

Incompetent governments are electable.

Labor knows all about incompetent government, don't they? They set the standard, low as it is.

REALLY ?

( ... repost - from pre-election)

Even John Howard is capable of coming clean with the TRUTH - occasionally - and giving
credit, where credit is DUE

Quote:

Former prime minister John Howard gave the economy a big tick
before Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered his sixth budget on Tuesday night.

''And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe, to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries,'' he said.

He said Australia's economy was better than the economies of Japan, the US and most European countries.

This is in stark contrast to his protégé and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's assessment of doom and gloom on Monday
.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/resilient-economy-in-better-shape-t...

Australia’s
GFC stimulus debt
is the second lowest in the OECD.
Gross debt stands at 28.9% of GDP.

This compares to Japan at 224%,
Greece at 193.2%,
Portugal at 133.1%,
Italy at 129.6%,
Ireland at 127.7%,
United States at 113%,
France at 108.2%,
UK at 110.4%,
Canada at 85.5%,
Spain at 100.2%
Germany at 86.2%.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGeNUmoCQAAGGVT.jpg

The BIG ticks of APPROVAL come from ...

Standard & Poor's
Moody's
Fitch's
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)
EuroMoney (Finance Minister of the Year Honours)
The International Monetary Fund (IMF)
The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA)
The Australian Bureau of Statistics ( ... by stealth)
The Butcher
The Baker
The Candlestick Maker

... and NOW - a few days back - the former member for Bennelong

The ONLY talking down of the economy and the Federal Treasurer is coming from the Opposition, NEWS Ltd - and Sydney shock-jocks

I know who I trust

Hey honey, why the hell do the banks like your drug addict brother who has a mountain of debt, compare to us who have zero debt and $2 million in the bank.

God love, use your head woman. Banks love people who love to be in debt

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #22 - Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:08pm

Grendel wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Bam wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting.

really? where?

Stop pretending.

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So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures,

One being Labor induced right the other being China induced.

Abbott's mishandling was all his own doing. A proper response from Abbott - that clown who's the Prime Minister now - and there wouldn't have been such a farce. It's why he's not fit to be Prime Minister. That the espionage may have happened during a Labor government is irrelevant - national security matters are bipartisan.

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put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling

, rubbish...

Live cattle exporters concerned about spying scandal
Now if you think that's rubbish, prove it. I want links, not glib responses.

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have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling

more rubbish...

Indonesia suspending military cooperation with Australia on people smuggling
Prove this too - Don't be lazy.

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There's more to come as well.

Undoubtably... 3 more years of it and odds are, it won't all be bad...

Yes, true - at least I would hope so.

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Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

No matter what happens, without the carbon tax they will be less than they would have been with it.

Abbott has asserted that the price rises are mostly due to the carbon price, which is a falsehood - he was even caught out red-handed misleading parliament about it. There's a substantial number of stupid people in the electorate who have swallowed that lie. Those chickens are going to come home to roost. Abbott needs to come clean now, and make it clear that most of the price rises in gas and electricity were not due to the carbon price. If he doesn't, the realisation is going to hit home at a much more inconvenient time in the electoral cycle.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.

But we aren't.

Who's "we"?

As for the ship sinking, that's a matter of opinion, but given Pyne's lies, Abbott's lies, Abbott's bungling, Bishop's bungling, the Coalition ship may not be sinking yet, but it is definitely listing to port and taking on water.

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The last Coalition government even left Labor with a life-raft of funds... remember? How soon we forget eh.
If you want to claim to be fair... be fair.

Ah, that lie.

You seriously don't believe that the Howard government were doing the right thing when they pissed away the proceeds of a temporary mining boom on permanent detrimental changes to government expenditure such as tax cuts and middle-class welfare? Temporary windfalls should be invested, not spent: build infrastructure, place it in the Future Fund ... And for the record, I think the proceeds of Labor's mining tax should have also been invested in this way. Temporary increases in revenue should only fund temporary expenditure. No tax cuts.

Yes, I know the Howard Government's wastrel ways. Stop pretending they were good money managers. They weren't.

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #23 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:51am

Kat wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Strength to strength?

Which alternate universe are you in?

The real one. Not sure which imaginary one you inhabit.

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Reply #24 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:46am

Bam wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.

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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.

yours was the stupid argument. Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority. it requires too many people to change their mind in one term. Remember that in this rather unique situation, if every person who moved from labor to liberal went the other way next election, the Libs would still win. there are no traitorous indies to vote for the other side now. So even with a landslide swing such as Abbott received, labor would still lose.

and labor is going to the next election promising to re-introduce a Carbon Tax. That infernally unpopular measure will destroy their chances before the next election even gets close.

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #25 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 6:51am:

Kat wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:07am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great. Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength. Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Strength to strength?

Which alternate universe are you in?

The real one. Not sure which imaginary one you inhabit.

Not if you think Tony's going from 'strength to strength', you don't.

From crisis to crisis, yes.

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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #27 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:22am

adelcrow wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

A scabby sore could beat one term tony when he calls a DD next year.
Shorty will give the speedo kid the flogging of his life Grin

not after the PANTS DOWN mud... it will take a loooooooooog time to wipe that off... Grin

wonder what Mrs Pants Down thinks about the new mud?????

not forgetting Eddie Obeid.. Roll Eyes

A report from the New South Wales corruption watchdog, the Independent Commission Against Corruption, handed down in Sydney this morning has recommended two senior ALP figures and a family member be charged with criminal conduct. It brings to a climax a seven-month investigation into the actions of Labor powerbroker

CRIMINAL CONDUCT....??... it wont go away..

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Reply #28 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 8:25am

salad in wrote on Dec 1^st, 2013 at 7:59am:

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Why Labor will lose the next Federal election

By my faith that's a bold prediction AP. True the filth masquerading as the ALP is an argosy of vileness but some people are swayed by a promised wad of cash.

like Eddie Obeid and Ian Mcdonald you mean?

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Reply #29 - Dec 1^st, 2013 at 9:25am

A pox ridden hooker could beat one term tony at the next election.
The mounting lies and stupid political decisions that are turning this country into an international pariah and dooming it to massive job losses and an eventual recession will be enough to ensure that the spandex kid is a one term wonder. History will show that to its detriment the country put the village idiot in charge for awhile.

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