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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:02am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:46am:
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am:
There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.

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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.



yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term.

How do you go through life being so wrong so much?

Let me clue you in. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING.

You must be sitting there blissfully unaware of how the Victorian Liberal clowns are on track to lose after one term, or what happened to the Borbidge government in Queensland. Federally, it's 70 years. Not the 100 years as you incorrectly claim (as usual you don't bother checking; next time don't be so lazy).

Governments are NEVER guaranteed to win multiple terms. If they perform badly, they are out at the next election no matter how long they've been in. So far the Abbott government have not performed well, and the signs are they are going to cop a lot over the broken promises and lies.

I'm not saying that the Abbott government will lose the next election. What I am saying is that their chances of winning are currently closer to 50% than 100%.
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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:05am
 
I have a jar of old toe nail clippings that have more chance of winning the next election than the Spandex Kid does.
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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #32 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:21am
 
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 10:08pm:
Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 10:08am:
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am:
Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting.
really?  where?

Stop pretending.
Now if you think that's rubbish, prove it. I want links, not glib responses.  Grin


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So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures,
One being Labor induced right the other being China induced.

Abbott's mishandling was all his own doing.
Rubbish...  there's been no mishandling except for the leaking of intel and the stupidity of listening to the Indonesian presidents wife's phone.
A proper response from Abbott - that clown who's the Prime Minister now
oooh  we are a very biased commentator aren't we.
- and there wouldn't have been such a farce. There is no farce...  It's why he's not fit to be Prime Minister.
Your biased opinion... 
That the espionage may have happened during a Labor government is irrelevant
rubbish  that's just stupid and biased...
- national security matters are bipartisan. 
Really...  that does that explain why Labor are in a bind then about their usual ad hom attacks...  it happened on their watch they ok'd it. Now this government has to fix the mess.


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put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling
, rubbish...

Live cattle exporters concerned about spying scandal
Now if you think that's rubbish, prove it. I want links, not glib responses.
Oh the ABC eh...  we can find and are even as I type looking at securing new markets.  go google it yourself and stop being so lazy.


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have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling
more rubbish...

Indonesia suspending military cooperation with Australia on people smuggling
Prove this too - Don't be lazy. 
Honestly I am fast losing respect for you...  the problem was all but solved under Howard now you deny the Rudd and Gillard opened the gates and the problem they created is what this government faces and now must fix.  As for the Indonesian Military  they do very little in regards to this problem.  Google it and stop being lazy and relying on the ALP/Green and LW media propaganda and biase for your information.


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There's more to come as well.
Undoubtably...  3 more years of it and odds are, it won't all be bad...

Yes, true - at least I would hope so.
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Reply #33 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:33am
 
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Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.
No matter what happens, without the carbon tax they will be less than they would have been with it.

Abbott has asserted that the price rises are mostly due to the carbon price, which is a falsehood - he was even caught out red-handed misleading parliament about it. There's a substantial number of stupid people in the electorate who have swallowed that lie. Those chickens are going to come home to roost. Abbott needs to come clean now, and make it clear that most of the price rises in gas and electricity were not due to the carbon price. If he doesn't, the realisation is going to hit home at a much more inconvenient time in the electoral cycle.
Price rises in NSW have been very large and most brought about by increases granted by IPART based on claims by utilities related to costs incurred by various policies related to the federal government's green agenda.  This included the carbon tax but not restricted to it; changes to infrastructure to enable houses to provide electricity to the grid, OTT rebates for customers with solar panels, renewable energy costs, loss of income creating maintenance costs  shortfalls, etc.
BTW he's only claimed a saving of some $500 approx per year.  Roll Eyes


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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.
But we aren't.

Who's "we"?

As for the ship sinking, that's a matter of opinion, but given Pyne's lies, Abbott's lies, Abbott's bungling, Bishop's bungling, the Coalition ship may not be sinking yet, but it is definitely listing to port and taking on water. 
What was that quote about proof?  You are just spouting a very biased line of propaganda.


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The last Coalition government even left Labor with a life-raft of funds... remember?  How soon we forget eh.
If you want to claim to be fair...  be fair.

Ah, that lie. 
Really?  It's not a lie at all just ask Wayne and Kevin or anyone who doesn't live under a rock.  Obviously you've become so biased it's a waste of my time talking to you...

Where did the money come from to "save" us from the GFC?  Hmmm...  oh that money.

BTW no one holds it against a government for returning your money to you that they took from you in the first place.  wastrel?  hardly.  myopic...  you betcha...  but don't try and tell me for one minute the ALP are any better...  worst 6 years of government I can remember.
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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #34 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 4:27pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:02am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:46am:
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am:
There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.

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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.



yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term.

How do you go through life being so wrong so much?

Let me clue you in. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING.

You must be sitting there blissfully unaware of how the Victorian Liberal clowns are on track to lose after one term, or what happened to the Borbidge government in Queensland. Federally, it's 70 years. Not the 100 years as you incorrectly claim (as usual you don't bother checking; next time don't be so lazy).

Governments are NEVER guaranteed to win multiple terms. If they perform badly, they are out at the next election no matter how long they've been in. So far the Abbott government have not performed well, and the signs are they are going to cop a lot over the broken promises and lies.

I'm not saying that the Abbott government will lose the next election. What I am saying is that their chances of winning are currently closer to 50% than 100%.


since we are referring to FEDERAL elections then it should have been clear to your pedantic self that that was the case instead of having to repeat it.

the fact remains that one term FEDERAL govts are very very unlikely and especially so coming of a landslide win like Abbotts.  I know you don't like history and apparently don't understand it, but it remains true nonetheless.
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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #35 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:03pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 4:27pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 10:02am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:46am:
Bam wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 9:48am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 30th, 2013 at 7:57am:
There is one more reason Labor will lose the next Federal election: the margin to take back enough seats is too great.

Stupid argument. When the votes are counted, all candidates start from zero.

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Abbott's government would have to implode in spectacular fashion and that seems unlikely with them going from strength to strength.

This is untrue. Their failures are mounting. So far, they've annoyed Indonesia and China with foreign policy failures, put the future of the live cattle trade with Indonesia under threat due to their bungling, have undone years of good work from both sides of politics on people smuggling and have lied to the Australian people about education funding. There's more to come as well. Wait until Australians see electricity prices still rising when the carbon price is repealed, exposing another Abbott lie.

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Certainly, there is none of the internal warfare that plagued Labor for 6 years.

Internal warfare is not the only way a government can lose an election. The ship of government can have a crew as unified as you want, but it does no good if the ship is sinking.



yours was the stupid argument.  Historically, NO govt has been defeated after just one term in nearly 100 years and none from a position of a large majority.  it requires too many people to change their mind in one term.

How do you go through life being so wrong so much?

Let me clue you in. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING.

You must be sitting there blissfully unaware of how the Victorian Liberal clowns are on track to lose after one term, or what happened to the Borbidge government in Queensland. Federally, it's 70 years. Not the 100 years as you incorrectly claim (as usual you don't bother checking; next time don't be so lazy).

Governments are NEVER guaranteed to win multiple terms. If they perform badly, they are out at the next election no matter how long they've been in. So far the Abbott government have not performed well, and the signs are they are going to cop a lot over the broken promises and lies.

I'm not saying that the Abbott government will lose the next election. What I am saying is that their chances of winning are currently closer to 50% than 100%.


since we are referring to FEDERAL elections then it should have been clear to your pedantic self that that was the case instead of having to repeat it.

the fact remains that one term FEDERAL govts are very very unlikely and especially so coming of a landslide win like Abbotts.  I know you don't like history and apparently don't understand it, but it remains true nonetheless.


True.
Julia Gillard was the first PM to lose a majority after a single term in almost 100 years.

It rarely happens and is highly unlikely of this kind of majority.
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Re: Why Labor will lose the next Federal election
Reply #36 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:11pm
 
Don't see how anyone could make a call either way at this time or why they would want too.

If Abbott is still performing as horribly in 18 months time start thinking about it then.
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