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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #15 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Totally Yadda. The minute anyone tries to stand in the way of my God given right to murder non-muslims, I'll be raising hell.

Dictionary;

dissemble = = hide or disguise one’s true motives or feelings.

gandalf,

Many ppl on this forum have a lot of respect for you, as trying to represent a moderate view of ISLAM, as a moslem.

I know that you are a good moslem, gandalf.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #16 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:58pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

gandalf,

Do you imagine that i ... misrepresent ISLAM ?

Yadda even the thought of that is just preposterous.

We all know you represent islam perfectly...

its this...

not this...

this...

and definitely never this...

Except of course when it is...

Because muslims are deceptive see...

google:
Taqiyya

Except when their not being deceptive - like the beheading parades.

Its a bit confusing, but no question Yadda represents islam perfectly.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #17 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:03pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Yadda, find me one quote of mine, just one, where I condone Muslim extremist behavior. If a militant Muslim came on the forums and told me I was an infidel and my life was forfeit because I wasn't a Muslim I would debate him too.

I don't support Muslim extremism
I don't support Christian extremism

I know, i know, Stratos.

People like yourself, only support an expression of moderate ISLAM, and the rights of those who are moderate moslems.

I am correct, aren't i ?i

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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

The Hadith,

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #18 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm Gandalf, just on Taqiyya, i understand it is the act of hiding your faith in order to avoid some sort of danger. Is that about right?
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #19 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:11pm Hey Yadda, do you hate your family?
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #20 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:19pm Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:11pm: Hey Yadda, do you hate your family? Yadda hates humanity. I would like to see how he treats his family, there probabaly terrified of him.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #21 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:32pm Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm: Gandalf, just on Taqiyya, i understand it is the act of hiding your faith in order to avoid some sort of danger. Is that about right? thats my understanding, yes.
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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #22 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:18pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Hey Yadda, do you hate your family?

No.

Stratos asks....
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Gandalf, just on Taqiyya, i understand it is the act of hiding your faith in order to avoid some sort of danger. Is that about right?

Stratos,

You are a 'goose', at the very least,
.....but i suspect much worse.

Stratos,

Gandalf's response is truthful - as far as it goes.

But his response is also deceitful, in what is not acknowledged about Taqiyya, its forms, and the lawful purposes for 'engaging in' lying.

e.g.
"Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.
Kitman - Lying by omission."

Lying (Taqiyya and Kitman)

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm

Moslems are not God's people.

Moslems claim that Moses was a moslem!, and a great prophet of ISLAM.

Some of the laws of God that Moses would have been very familiar with....

#9

IMAGE....

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #23 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:11pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Stratos wrote Today at 3:11pm:
Hey Yadda, do you hate your family?

No.

Should follow your bible more then bro

Luke 14:25-27
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
25 And there went great multitudes with Him, and He turned and said unto them,
26 “If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Some of the laws of God that Moses would have been very familiar with....

You keep posting that photo of the ten commandments like you believe they have relevance. Is it true that you must follow them all in order to live a perfect life?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #24 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:32pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:11pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Stratos wrote Today at 3:11pm:
Hey Yadda, do you hate your family?

No.

Should follow your bible more then bro

Luke 14:25-27
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
25 And there went great multitudes with Him, and He turned and said unto them,
26 “If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

What a clever word trap!

You should convert Stratos.

Moslems are looking for people just like you, to convert to Allah's perfect religion.i
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Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:18pm:

Some of the laws of God that Moses would have been very familiar with....

You keep posting that photo of the ten commandments like you believe they have relevance. Is it true that you must follow them all in order to live a perfect life?

Was Jesus a Jewish man ?

Was Jesus a Jewish, Torah observant man ?

Yes, and yes.

"Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother."
Matthew 19:16-19

All of those commandments, above, were quoted by Jesus, directly from the book(s) of the law, the Torah,
Exodus 20:12-16
Deuteronomy 5:16-20

New covenant, old laws.

Never old.

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To others;
If you are a Christian, and if you believe that those Old Testament laws [God's laws of righteousness] are unimportant [for you as a Christian], you are very, very, mistaken.

Read your Bible!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #25 - Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:45pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

What a clever word trap!

You should convert Stratos.

Good response. Also not an answer I'm afraid.

Yadda wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Was Jesus a Jewish man ?

Was Jesus a Jewish, Torah observant man ?

Yes, and yes.

So why did he lie when he said this as recorded in Matthew 21?

21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

I live next to a mountain. how about you pray it away for me? God being omnipotent knows which one, go nuts. If it's still there tomorrow after you have prayed then I'll stand corrected.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #26 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 9:02am Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:04pm: Gandalf, just on Taqiyya, i understand it is the act of hiding your faith in order to avoid some sort of danger. Is that about right? Yeah, like arrest or your true intentions being found out.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #27 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 9:15am Well if you are going to get arrested purely because of your faith probably means you live in some kind of fascist state. Or you know, Soren got his coppers qualification.
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Reply #28 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:39pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:45pm:

....why did he lie when he said this as recorded in Matthew 21?

21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

I live next to a mountain. how about you pray it away for me? God being omnipotent knows which one, go nuts. If it's still there tomorrow after you have prayed then I'll stand corrected.

Isaiah 5:18
Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011
Reply #29 - Dec 5^th, 2013 at 4:11pm

Yes yes Yadda, I'm a horrible heathen etc. But my point is still valid, and the mountains I can see from my verandah haven't moved yet.

Besides, you are supposed to be a bible following Christian, so how about you follow the Bible now and answer my question.

1 Peter 3:15
New International Version (NIV)
15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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