Australian Politics Forum - Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011

Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #60 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:11pm Also, if you answer my point with a different point that says the opposite, that isn't an argument. it does however, create a contradiction.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #61 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:35pm brumbie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 11:34pm: Sorens endings are better than yours Exactly what the duchess said to you, didn't she, Stavros?
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Reply #62 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:18pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

Also, if you answer my point with a different point that says the opposite, that isn't an argument.

it does however, create a contradiction.

Your 'point', is to try to fabricate, to create, a moral equivalence between ISLAM, and Christianity [and Judaism]. post #53

You are not interested in what is true.

You are one of those who has a deep hatred of God [if he exists], because he is not your servant.

You are of the sort who would probably like to murder God, if you could.

Hot place!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #63 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:53pm Aw, no answers.
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Reply #64 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 4:57pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 3:53pm:

Aw, no answers.

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.

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Reply #65 - Jan 13^th, 2014 at 9:11am

'No Pants Subway Ride' in Brussels, Belgium, 2013.

The No Pants Subway Ride is an annual event staged across major cities around the world each January. It does what it says on the tin: you ride the Subway or Metro or Tube or U-Bahn without trousers or a skirt. The now global madcap event started in New York in 2002. No one knows where it will finish.

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Reply #66 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:17pm

“There are about 50 million Muslims in Europe, and 80% are beggars living on Western welfare.” The author of this stunning quote is not Geert Wilders or Marine Le Pen; it is Swedish/Algerian journalist Yahya Abu Zakariya who revealed this fact during a talk show on Lebanon TV on October 12, 2012. And Zakariya can be called anything but pro-Western. He also stated in the broadcast, “Let’s bring down America, but first, let’s stop slaughtering one another, and then we can attack America.”

http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/algerian-journalist-yahya-abu-z...

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Reply #67 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

Soren wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

“There are about 50 million Muslims in Europe, and 80% are beggars living on Western welfare.” The author of this stunning quote is not Geert Wilders or Marine Le Pen; it is Swedish/Algerian journalist Yahya Abu Zakariya who revealed this fact during a talk show on Lebanon TV on October 12, 2012. And Zakariya can be called anything but pro-Western. He also stated in the broadcast, “Let’s bring down America, but first, let’s stop slaughtering one another, and then we can attack America.”

Impeccably sourced by, wait for it....

some nobody in an interview, citing exactly zero official figures.

Also what does " beggars living on Western welfare" actually mean? Unemployed receiving benefits? Employed but receiving at least one of the perks of a welfare state that every other citizen enjoys? Perhaps he is referring to all the muslims living in European countries that have universal health care.

The statement is complete an utter nonsense to anyone who applies two seconds of critical thought to it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #68 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm

Soren,

When are you going to stop persecuting moslems, and being the cause of moslems 'kicking against the pricks' !

Soren,

Can't you see, that it is people like you that are the cause, of the 2005, 'extremist' subway and bus bombing of London ?

Shame on you. Tongue

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By Patrick Sawer

8:58PM BST 21 Jun 2008

Increasing numbers have become so alienated from mainstream society that they could even lend their support to jihadi terrorism, the study claims.

While most reject violence, many distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2171300/Young-Muslims-are-turning-to-extr...

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"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #69 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 2:06pm Yadda wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 12:45pm: many distrust police Why on Earth would anyone distrust British police?
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Reply #70 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

“There are about 50 million Muslims in Europe, and 80% are beggars living on Western welfare.” The author of this stunning quote is not Geert Wilders or Marine Le Pen; it is Swedish/Algerian journalist Yahya Abu Zakariya who revealed this fact during a talk show on Lebanon TV on October 12, 2012. And Zakariya can be called anything but pro-Western. He also stated in the broadcast, “Let’s bring down America, but first, let’s stop slaughtering one another, and then we can attack America.”

Impeccably sourced by, wait for it....

some nobody in an interview, citing exactly zero official figures.

Also what does " beggars living on Western welfare" actually mean? Unemployed receiving benefits? Employed but receiving at least one of the perks of a welfare state that every other citizen enjoys? Perhaps he is referring to all the muslims living in European countries that have universal health care.

The statement is complete an utter nonsense to anyone who applies two seconds of critical thought to it.

What? Now you accept 'official figures'?

Do you have any figures that DISPROVE what the bruvver said?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #71 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:34pm Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:20pm: Do you have any figures that DISPROVE what the bruvver said? That is amazingly stupid soren - even by your standards.
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Reply #72 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:20pm:

Do you have any figures that DISPROVE what the bruvver said?

That is amazingly stupid soren - even by your standards.

Really? How so?

You say there is nothing to support the claim that 80% of European Muslims are sucking on the welfare teat, a claim made by your co-religionist.
Yet you have nothing to offer as alternative except harrumph, harrumph.

Disprove what he says if you can. Start here:

Or here:
http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/work-and-worklessness/...

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #73 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:14pm Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:58pm: Disprove what he says if you can. Start here: Does this mention Muslims?
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Reply #74 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:47pm

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Yet you have nothing to offer as alternative except harrumph, harrumph.

Except I pointed out that "living on western welfare" is meaningless to the absurd. What do you think it means Soren? If an immigrant to the UK is using the National Health Service (NHS), isn't that a case of "living on western welfare"?

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Disprove what he says if you can.

Suggest you familiarise yourself with the negative proof fallacy. In any case, all I need to know is what he actually means by "living on western welfare" - specifically, and then we can easily use actual evidence to prove it wrong.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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