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Reply #75 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:58pm:

Disprove what he says if you can. Start here:

Does this mention Muslims?

Yes.

Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Somalis ARE Muslims, you know. They really are.

Gandy, look at my other link. It's not about NHS or middle class subsidies. It is about who works and who doesn't. If you are a working age immigrant and you do not work, you are either rich enough or you are on welfare. Most third worlders or Eastern Europeans or other migrants are not rich enough to live on their private means, especially if you look t the age group break-down, so they must be on welfare. Stats from other countries concur.

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Reply #76 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:37pm

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

If you are a working age immigrant and you do not work, you are either rich enough or you are on welfare. Most third worlders or Eastern Europeans or other migrants are not rich enough to live on their private means, especially if you look t the age group break-down, so they must be on welfare. Stats from other countries concur.

So its unemployment welfare?

In the UK, apparently 60% of the muslim population (50% men, 75% women) are classed as "economically inactive". This does not mean unemployment though - only 16% are actually on unemployment benefits. The vast majority of non-working muslims in the UK are supported by themselves or family.

Clearly you are talking through your backside Soren.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #77 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:45pm Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:23pm: Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Somalis ARE Muslims, you know. They really are. I assume this means it doesn't mention religion at all, based on your refusal to answer it
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Moslems, in Europe, circa 2011 Reply #78 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:43pm In any case we were talking about European muslims. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Bangladesh, Pakistan and Somalia are not in Europe.
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Reply #79 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:43pm:

In any case we were talking about European muslims. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Bangladesh, Pakistan and Somalia are not in Europe.

These ones are - that's the point. look at the table and this link

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/work-and-worklessness/

Worklessness rates, which combine those who are unemployed with those not available for or seeking work vary considerably by age and ethnicity. Over 20% of Black Caribbean, Black African and Bangladeshi men were workless in 2011, compared with 10% amongst white and Indian men. For each ethnic group, the worklessness levels tended to double for young men.

Variations in work rates among women by country of birth are much larger. Over 60% of women born in Somalia, Turkey, Pakistan and Bangladesh were not in paid work in 2011 compared with less than 30% of women born in France, Poland and South Africa.

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/work-and-worklessness/...

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Reply #80 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:05pm

Exactly what is your point Soren? None of your statistics even come close to suggesting that 80% of muslims in Europe are "living on western welfare".

If your point is merely to say that muslims in Europe are below par on the productivity stakes, then you've got no argument from me. But you did want to attack my questioning of the bogus 80% claim - yet you do this by producing "evidence" that has nothing at all to do with that. What exactly is this all about Soren? Am I likely to see some coherency from you?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #81 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:

Exactly what is your point Soren? None of your statistics even come close to suggesting that 80% of muslims in Europe are "living on western welfare".

If your point is merely to say that muslims in Europe are below par on the productivity stakes, then you've got no argument from me. But you did want to attack my questioning of the bogus 80% claim - yet you do this by producing "evidence" that has nothing at all to do with that. What exactly is this all about Soren? Am I likely to see some coherency from you?

My point is that even Muslims are saying that the vast majority of them (80% according to Swedish/Algerian journalist Yahya Abu Zakariya) are drains on their host countries AND that this is some sort of tactic to undermine their western hosts (bring down America, in his words).

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Reply #82 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 1:11pm

Soren wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

My point is that even Muslims are saying that the vast majority of them (80% according to Swedish/Algerian journalist Yahya Abu Zakariya) are drains on their host countries

So tell me Soren, if some white person came out with some completely bogus made-up-on-the-spot statistic in order to attack the value of whites in society, how would you respond? Would you say "oh fair enough, its a white person saying it, so its ok" or would you say "this guy is speaking out of his arse"? I'll go for option 2.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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