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Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:34pm

History would indicate the Left cannot be trusted with our security.

From the almost forgotten opposition leader H.V. "Doc" Evatt, who had a blind faith in the Soviet Union and almost certainly employed members of the Petrov Soviet spy ring on his staff in the early 50s, to Labor attorney-general Lionel Murphy, who with Commonwealth Police raided ASIO's Melbourne office and searched its files 40 years ago, the ALP has been blind to the national interest.

Evatt brought the House down in October 1954 when he revealed he wrote to Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov asking if allegations of Soviet espionage in Australia were true and then proceeded to read Molotov's assurance there was no such spying.

Murphy's ASIO raid was driven by the paranoia and insecurity of the Labor Left at the highest level within the fatally flawed Whitlam government. No report or finding on the raid was ever released.

Before his dismissal in 1975, former prime minister Gough Whitlam appointed Murphy to the High Court.

Whitlam was crushingly rejected by voters at two subsequent federal elections, though he remains an icon in Labor's pantheon of failed leaders.

Murphy's trajectory was equally defective.

He was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice in 1985, during the Hawke Labor government, but the conviction was later quashed. Following a second trial in 1986 Murphy was found not guilty.

Labor attorney-general Lionel Bowen then instituted a parliamentary commission of inquiry, constituted by three retired judges, to examine "whether any conduct of the Honourable Lionel Keith Murphy has been such as to amount, in its opinion, to proved misbehaviour within the meaning of section 72 of the Constitution".

(Section 72 specifies that a High Court judge may be removed only by the governor-general and both houses of parliament "on the ground of proved misbehaviour or incapacity".)

The terms of this inquiry specifically excluded the issues for which Murphy had already been tried and acquitted.

Two months after the commission was established, Murphy announced he had terminal cancer and the commission was repealed. Murphy died on October 21, 1986.

The documents collected by the commission remain sealed under the authority of the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President of the Senate to this day, 27 years on.

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Reply #1 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:35pm

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On Tuesday, ASIO officers raided the home of a former ASIS officer. The names of ASIS officers, serving or retired, cannot be revealed. The Opposition was briefed on Wednesday and Attorney-General George Brandis made a statement in the Senate.

Brandis said he issued the warrant, at the request of ASIO, on the grounds that the documents and electronic data collected contained intelligence relating to security matters.

Under section 39 of the Intelligence Services Act 2001, it is a criminal offence for a current or former officer of ASIS to communicate "any information or matter that was prepared by or on behalf of ASIS in connection with its functions or relates to the performance by ASIS of its functions", where the information has come into his possession by reason of his being or having been an officer of ASIS.

To no-one's surprise, the raid, initiated by ASIO, was loudly condemned by Greens leader Christine Milne, Green Senator Scott Ludlum and that reliable warhorse of the Left, Father Frank Brennan, and given expansive coverage by the Left's media allies at the ABC and Fairfax Media.

Barely had the Senate convened before Milne was demanding that the Attorney-General provide reasons for the raid.

Not that she had not made her own mind up.

She said it was to prevent the unnamed ASIS officer travelling to The Hague to give evidence in a dispute between Australia and East Timor about maritime boundaries which could affect the resource-sharing deal struck between former foreign minister Alexander Downer and the East Timorese government.

"It is a shocking thing that, as this negotiation is going on in The Hague, the Attorney-General in Australia authorises the raid," she said.

"There is no suggestion here that the whistleblower who was going to attend to give evidence in The Hague was in any way a threat to national security."

But if the so-called "whistleblower" is, as the issuance of the warrant would suggest, a rogue former intelligence officer much like the US defector Edward Snowden, now in the arms of his Soviet handlers while The Guardian and the ABC collaborate to distribute information from his stolen cache of secret files, surely it is the duty of the Australian government to act.

Further, as the Attorney-General painstakingly pointed out to Ludlum, when the director-general of ASIO requests such a warrant, it may only be issued if the Attorney-General is satisfied that it is necessary to protect the Commonwealth and its people from espionage, sabotage, politically-motivated violence, attacks on Australia's defence system, or acts of foreign interference; and the protection of Australia's territorial and border integrity from serious threats.

Unfortunately, there is little any nation can do to prevent rogue agents like the convicted former US marine Bradley Manning, who provided stolen information to fugitive WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, or Snowden, or the former ASIS officer, as we may find when ASIO concludes its investigation.

Their actions are heinous, particularly so when they lead to the identification of those who work in the field of intelligence and guard our national interest. Those from the Left, like the Greens and their media friends at The Guardian and the ABC and elsewhere, who glorify the Assanges, the Mannings, the Snowdens and those who leak sensitive national intelligence material and endanger lives, betray the national interest and deserve nothing but utter contempt.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security Reply #2 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:39pm Peirs Akermans defence of the current attorney General organising raids on the Lawyer & witness for East Timor. LOOK OVER THERE LABOR. & teaspoon is hooked. Great Casting Piers
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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #3 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Peirs Akermans defence of the current attorney General organising raids on the Lawyer & witness for East Timor.

LOOK OVER THERE LABOR.

& teaspoon is hooked.

Great Casting Piers

Nothing there to refute, is there? It's all fact, in plain text. So you resort to calling me teaspoon. Is that what passes for wit among you lefties? Grin

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Reply #4 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:47pm

So how much was Australia going to rip out of East Timor by DISHONESTLY spying on them and bugging them for financial gain? And when Brandis found out that the results of that was going to become VERY public he sh@t his pants and organised a raid

It will all come out soon enough though - the good evidence is all in the Hague - where Downer and Howard should be

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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #5 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:54pm

Vic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

So how much was Australia going to rip out of East Timor by DISHONESTLY spying on them and bugging them for financial gain? And when Brandis found out that the results of that was going to become VERY public he sh@t his pants and organised a raid

It will all come out soon enough though - the good evidence is all in the Hague - where Downer and Howard should be

What about the times when former PM Rudd sent 31-year-old chief of staff, Alister Jordan in his place to national security council meetings, or when Gillard - as DPM - sent her former bodyguard and junior staff member Andrew Stark instead of attending herself? That doesn't seem to me like Labor takes our security seriously in the least.

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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #6 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:13pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Peirs Akermans defence of the current attorney General organising raids on the Lawyer & witness for East Timor.

LOOK OVER THERE LABOR.

& teaspoon is hooked.

Great Casting Piers

Nothing there to refute, is there? It's all fact, in plain text. So you resort to calling me teaspoon. Is that what passes for wit among you lefties? Grin

Ive called you teaspoon since I realised puddle was too deep.
But whilst what is written is true its history many decades old being used to justify raids earlier this week.

Are you in favour of justice being subverted for political purposes?

Do you think Australia the regions richest nation should be stealing oil & gas from the regions poorest?

If the normal procedure for drawing borders was adhered to these field would have been in Timor Territory

Do you think it was right to listen in on Timor's delegation?

And this is not the 1st time a Liberal Government has used ASIS/ASIO for political purposes, remember the raids on Black Inc publishing & the subsequent destroying of Hard drives by ASIO because they published Wilkies book.

But hey you wrap yourself in Piers words & thoughts I'm sure they'll never target you or anyone you might know.

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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #7 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:20pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Peirs Akermans defence of the current attorney General organising raids on the Lawyer & witness for East Timor.

LOOK OVER THERE LABOR.

& teaspoon is hooked.

Great Casting Piers

Nothing there to refute, is there? It's all fact, in plain text. So you resort to calling me teaspoon. Is that what passes for wit among you lefties? Grin

But whilst what is written is true its history many decades old being used to justify raids earlier this week.

If that's how you justify things, then you cannot possibly justify the continued attacks by your merry band of leftards on Abbott over wrongful allegations of assault when he was a University student - allegations for which there is no proof, no witness willing to sign a stat dec and for which he served no time in prison or was fined. Piers' article is well-documented, these allegations against Abbott are as weak as wet paper.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security Reply #8 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:26pm Piers Akerman is a grubby hack and none of his scribblings are worth taking seriously. FFS one of the idiots who worship him wrote that Gillard was associated with the (non-existent) Heiner Affair! Heiner started his enquiry in Qld and Gillard was in Vic but Piers just let that idiot ramble on.
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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #9 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Peirs Akermans defence of the current attorney General organising raids on the Lawyer & witness for East Timor.

LOOK OVER THERE LABOR.

& teaspoon is hooked.

Great Casting Piers

Nothing there to refute, is there? It's all fact, in plain text. So you resort to calling me teaspoon. Is that what passes for wit among you lefties? Grin

But whilst what is written is true its history many decades old being used to justify raids earlier this week.

If that's how you justify things, then you cannot possibly justify the continued attacks by your merry band of leftards on Abbott over wrongful allegations of assault when he was a University student - allegations for which there is no proof, no witness willing to sign a stat dec and for which he served no time in prison or was fined. Piers' article is well-documented, these allegations against Abbott are as weak as wet paper.

Well I've never mention your said allegations except whilst they where topical ie being reported in the paper.
So now that that excuse for Piers & his revision of history is out of the way,
What are YOUR thoughts on the issue being discussed?

(East Timor/Raids by spies upon Lawyers & Witnesses)

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security Reply #10 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:30pm John Curtain...WW 2..need I say more about national security?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96022 Gender:	Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security Reply #11 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:31pm SHAME LABOR SHAME
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Reply #12 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:57pm

John Curtin managing the fight against the Japs, army short of everything thanks to PM Robert Menzies spending 6 months in the UK taking home movies. Curtin also set out the vision that created prosperity for Australia in the postwar years: the postwar immigration, the Snowy Mts scheme to give migrants work, set in motion what was part of the C/wealth Bank that became the RBA. So despite the 17 year torpor under Menzies II the country grew stronger and wealthier.

Yup, pretty good looking after the national interest and security. Menzies II played games like trying to ban the Communist Party and create 20% inflation. For the rest Libs have just hitched a ride with Uncle Sam.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security Reply #13 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm I say it again just so the Neo Cons can refer to their history books...John Curtain and World War Two...while they are at it they should look up Robert Menzies and World War Two
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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #14 - Dec 6^th, 2013 at 6:16pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:54pm:

Vic wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

So how much was Australia going to rip out of East Timor by DISHONESTLY spying on them and bugging them for financial gain? And when Brandis found out that the results of that was going to become VERY public he sh@t his pants and organised a raid

It will all come out soon enough though - the good evidence is all in the Hague - where Downer and Howard should be

What about the times when former PM Rudd sent 31-year-old chief of staff, Alister Jordan in his place to national security council meetings, or when Gillard - as DPM - sent her former bodyguard and junior staff member Andrew Stark instead of attending herself? That doesn't seem to me like Labor takes our security seriously in the least.

Prime ministers get called to attend many meeting, each of them important for various reasons. There is nothing wrong with sending a representative in their place.

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