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Reply #45 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:37pm
 
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Reply #46 - Mar 20th, 2024 at 3:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Your Muslim friend?


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Reply #47 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am
 
Albanese made big promises on national security. Almost everything he promised has come to nothing. One of his commitments was to Australia having a commercial fleet, a merchant navy. In emergencies governments can requisition ships that carry their national flag.

When Labor came to office there were two Australian-flagged international merchant ships. Now, at the end of a full term, there are none. There has of course been a review. There are of course future plans.

But more important than what governments say is what they do, and here we have nothing. There are a few modest vessels that chunter between mainland Australia and Tasmania but none that work internationally. Union power means we’ll never have such a fleet. In the contest of union power versus national security, the Albanese government abandons national security.
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The government decided to give Palestinians from Gaza wishing to come to Australia visitor visas. It should have announced this, and told the public what it was doing and why. Instead the information had to be dragged out of it piecemeal. When the government was talking to a national security audience the subtext was: we’re doing almost nothing, so there’s nothing to see here.

When it was talking to its own activist base, or Muslim voters in southwest Sydney and elsewhere unhappy that the government has shown even a schmick of sympathy for Israel, its message was: look, we’re rapidly advancing visas categories for Gaza Palestinians, so much more generously than the other guys would.
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The government made things a million times worse by verballing Burgess in his description of the security checks applied to Palestinians wanting to come to Australia. The government claimed Burgess said ASIO was involved in the processing of every applicant. In fact Burgess had said that if certain triggers were established, then ASIO got involved.

That’s a huge difference. For the Prime Minister to claim otherwise is just absurd.

However, Burgess has also created a very big problem for the government. On the Insiders program, Burgess said some moderate degree of support for the Hamas terror group would not be The government made things a million times worse by verballing Burgess in his description of the security checks applied to Palestinians wanting to come to Australia. The government claimed Burgess said ASIO was involved in the processing of every applicant. In fact Burgess had said that if certain triggers were established, then ASIO got involved.

That’s a huge difference. For the Prime Minister to claim otherwise is just absurd.

However, Burgess has also created a very big problem for the government. On the Insiders program, Burgess said some moderate degree of support for the Hamas terror group would not be an obstacle to someone wanting to come to Australia, so long as that person did not share the Hamas ideology.

In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group, provided that support was just verbal or some such. Even less is this all right for someone seeking to come to Australia. Is it OK to give verbal support to al-Qa’ida, or Islamic State, or even the Ku Klux Klan?

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Moral and political leadership is the province of government, and the political process more generally. It’s not the province of security chiefs.

It’s a sign that a government is bankrupt of moral authority when it tries to conscript the apolitical authority of an institution such as ASIO to serve its political cause.

Hamas is not only a terrorist organisation. Its charter contains the most foul and vicious traditional anti-Semitism. The government must clarify what it means to say some degree of support for Hamas is no problem. The opposition would be failing its duty to the nation to leave this matter unresolved.
Greg Sheridan
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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #48 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 2:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group, provided that support was just verbal or some such. Even less is this all right for someone seeking to come to Australia. Is it OK to give verbal support to al-Qa’ida, or Islamic State, or even the Ku Klux Klan?


So, you're claiming to be a Journalist now, Soren?  What a shame Greg Sheridan didn't mention support for Dictators 'cause he'd be out on his ear. toute sweet.  Back in the 1980s he used to wax lyrical about his friendships with various Asian dictators such as Chiang Kai Shek, Lee Kwan Yew, Mahathir Mohamad, Prem Tinsulanonda, amogst others.  He claimed he used to hob-nob with them all the time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #49 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 2:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 2:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group, provided that support was just verbal or some such. Even less is this all right for someone seeking to come to Australia. Is it OK to give verbal support to al-Qa’ida, or Islamic State, or even the Ku Klux Klan?


So, you're claiming to be a Journalist now, Soren?  What a shame Greg Sheridan didn't mention support for Dictators 'cause he'd be out on his ear. toute sweet.  Back in the 1980s he used to wax lyrical about his friendships with various Asian dictators such as Chiang Kai Shek, Lee Kwan Yew, Mahathir Mohamad, Prem Tinsulanonda, amogst others.  He claimed he used to hob-nob with them all the time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How is that relevant (if true) to the quote you picked out? He is talking about Australian Ministers, Australian national security, Australian policy.


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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #50 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 3:49pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 2:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 2:38pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group, provided that support was just verbal or some such. Even less is this all right for someone seeking to come to Australia. Is it OK to give verbal support to al-Qa’ida, or Islamic State, or even the Ku Klux Klan?


So, you're claiming to be a Journalist now, Soren?  What a shame Greg Sheridan didn't mention support for Dictators 'cause he'd be out on his ear. toute sweet.  Back in the 1980s he used to wax lyrical about his friendships with various Asian dictators such as Chiang Kai Shek, Lee Kwan Yew, Mahathir Mohamad, Prem Tinsulanonda, amogst others.  He claimed he used to hob-nob with them all the time.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How is that relevant (if true) to the quote you picked out? He is talking about Australian Ministers, Australian national security, Australian policy.


What it illustrates is that only, "he who is without sin should cast the first stone," Soren.  Greg Sheridan is just as prone to making mistakes as anyone else, despite his claims to the contrary.  Something you should think about in your endless quoting from The Australian, hey?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #51 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You don't remember Trump saying ‘very fine people on both sides’ ?
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Reply #52 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:39pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You don't remember Trump saying ‘very fine people on both sides’ ?

We are talking about Australian government ministers, Australian national security.
No need to parade your fowl stupidity, duckwit.
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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #53 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 5:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You don't remember Trump saying ‘very fine people on both sides’ ?

We are talking about Australian government ministers, Australian national security.
No need to parade your fowl stupidity, duckwit.


Mike Burgess has proven your a dickhead Fwank....No Palastinians are coming to Australia!!!

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Asio chief says person who likes tweet supporting 7 October attacks on Israel could fail visa security test

In wake of Coalition criticism, Mike Burgess says support for Palestine not a problem but support for Hamas could rule out ability to come to Australia

A person who likes a tweet supporting the 7 October Hamas attacks on Israel will not pass a security assessment for an Australian visa, the head of the Asio spy agency has said.

Mike Burgess used an interview with the ABC’s 7.30 program on Tuesday to hit back at people who had “distorted” what he had previously said about the security vetting process for Palestinians seeking to come to Australia.

The question of support for Hamas was elevated as a major political issue by the Coalition, which chose to make Gaza visa security checks its main topic of attention during the most recent parliamentary sitting fortnight.

The Coalition elevated the issue despite figures showing the government had rejected significantly more visa applications than it had approved and that no one was coming now because the Rafah crossing out of Gaza had been closed since May.


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Re: Why Labor cannot be trusted with national security
Reply #54 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You don't remember Trump saying ‘very fine people on both sides’ ?

We are talking about Australian government ministers, Australian national security.
No need to parade your fowl stupidity, duckwit.


Is this what you meant to say?

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In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous
Australian
minister or
Australian
official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You seemed to have said ANY.

In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember
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Reply #55 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:21pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 4:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You don't remember Trump saying ‘very fine people on both sides’ ?

We are talking about Australian government ministers, Australian national security.
No need to parade your fowl stupidity, duckwit.


Is this what you meant to say?

Quote:
In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous
Australian
minister or
Australian
official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group


You seemed to have said ANY.

In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember
any
previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group

Read the post, fvkcwit.

I know, it's not short, so it's trying for you.
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386300896/47#47

What is about you mongs? You can't comprehend anything beyond short, intemperate lefty slogans? You all live in a curtailed, limited echo chamber of fvkcwittery and stunted emotions.
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Reply #56 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:33pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:43am:
Albanese made big promises on national security. Almost everything he promised has come to nothing. One of his commitments was to Australia having a commercial fleet, a merchant navy. In emergencies governments can requisition ships that carry their national flag.

When Labor came to office there were two Australian-flagged international merchant ships. Now, at the end of a full term, there are none. There has of course been a review. There are of course future plans.

But more important than what governments say is what they do, and here we have nothing. There are a few modest vessels that chunter between mainland Australia and Tasmania but none that work internationally. Union power means we’ll never have such a fleet. In the contest of union power versus national security, the Albanese government abandons national security.
...
The government decided to give Palestinians from Gaza wishing to come to Australia visitor visas. It should have announced this, and told the public what it was doing and why. Instead the information had to be dragged out of it piecemeal. When the government was talking to a national security audience the subtext was: we’re doing almost nothing, so there’s nothing to see here.

When it was talking to its own activist base, or Muslim voters in southwest Sydney and elsewhere unhappy that the government has shown even a schmick of sympathy for Israel, its message was: look, we’re rapidly advancing visas categories for Gaza Palestinians, so much more generously than the other guys would.
...
The government made things a million times worse by verballing Burgess in his description of the security checks applied to Palestinians wanting to come to Australia. The government claimed Burgess said ASIO was involved in the processing of every applicant. In fact Burgess had said that if certain triggers were established, then ASIO got involved.

That’s a huge difference. For the Prime Minister to claim otherwise is just absurd.

However, Burgess has also created a very big problem for the government. On the Insiders program, Burgess said some moderate degree of support for the Hamas terror group would not be The government made things a million times worse by verballing Burgess in his description of the security checks applied to Palestinians wanting to come to Australia. The government claimed Burgess said ASIO was involved in the processing of every applicant. In fact Burgess had said that if certain triggers were established, then ASIO got involved.

That’s a huge difference. For the Prime Minister to claim otherwise is just absurd.

However, Burgess has also created a very big problem for the government. On the Insiders program, Burgess said some moderate degree of support for the Hamas terror group would not be an obstacle to someone wanting to come to Australia, so long as that person did not share the Hamas ideology.

In 45 years of professional journalism I can never remember any previous minister or official saying it was OK to support a terrorist group, provided that support was just verbal or some such. Even less is this all right for someone seeking to come to Australia. Is it OK to give verbal support to al-Qa’ida, or Islamic State, or even the Ku Klux Klan?

...

Moral and political leadership is the province of government, and the political process more generally. It’s not the province of security chiefs.

It’s a sign that a government is bankrupt of moral authority when it tries to conscript the apolitical authority of an institution such as ASIO to serve its political cause.

Hamas is not only a terrorist organisation. Its charter contains the most foul and vicious traditional anti-Semitism. The government must clarify what it means to say some degree of support for Hamas is no problem. The opposition would be failing its duty to the nation to leave this matter unresolved.
Greg Sheridan


Well - Burgess is not an 'insider', you understand - nobody really pays much attention to him, being as he is an anointed mouth-piece for the government and not a true national security functionary.  He is there to provide mis and dis information and obfuscation... squid's ink to cloud the realities.

**now you know why I was on the road to 'being there' when I fell gravely ill with heart trouble... they simply don't have the staff to properly scrutinise applicants - which is a worry - and immigration etc VERY often 'out-source' such things to 'tame' co-countrypeople of those seeking to get in.

You work that one out for yourself... who guards the immigration guy while the immigration guy guards you and your borders?  It was bad enough with affirmative action to 'speak-a da lingo', and divided loyalties and dual+ citizenships - now it is worse ... much worse.... and Australia is in dire need of good people and true to come to the party and defend the realm.

It's one thing to employ a Musso to do the rounds AS a Musso amongst the Mussos - it's another to be able to fully trust him/her. When you play that game, the lines can become blurred, and never more so than with a fanatical religion involved.
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Reply #57 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 8:40pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
It's one thing to employ a Musso to do the rounds AS a Musso amongst the Mussos - it's another to be able to fully trust him/her. When you play that game, the lines can become blurred, and never more so than with a fanatical religion


How many Muslims do you know, Grappler?  Any at all?  No, I didn't think so.  Yet you decide you can pronounce on their loyalty without talking to any of them?  What a silly bozo you are.  Typical Islamophobic pronouncements.  When you actually talk to some you'll realise they are as loyal as any Australia.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #58 - Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 8:40pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
It's one thing to employ a Musso to do the rounds AS a Musso amongst the Mussos - it's another to be able to fully trust him/her. When you play that game, the lines can become blurred, and never more so than with a fanatical religion


How many Muslims do you know, Grappler? 

Oh, just fuck off with this idiotic b.s, moron.


You don't need to personally know Americans or Chinese to be critical of America or China.
Your moronic 'how many Muslims do you know' tick is indicative of your stupidity, Bbwian, nothing else.

You ARE a mindless moron and spiteful troll, incapable of basic honesty.

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Reply #59 - Jan 11th, 2025 at 12:05pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 10:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 8:40pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 10th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
It's one thing to employ a Musso to do the rounds AS a Musso amongst the Mussos - it's another to be able to fully trust him/her. When you play that game, the lines can become blurred, and never more so than with a fanatical religion


How many Muslims do you know, Grappler? 

Oh, just fuck off with this idiotic b.s, moron.

You don't need to personally know Americans or Chinese to be critical of America or China.
Your moronic 'how many Muslims do you know' tick is indicative of your stupidity, Bbwian, nothing else.

You ARE a mindless moron and spiteful troll, incapable of basic honesty.


You seem to be assuming that Muslims constitute a uniform mass of opinion in most things, Soren.  What a foolish thing to believe.  Typical of an Islamophobe though who has never discussed anything with Muslims, who'd cross a street rather than walk on the same footpath with a Muslim, hey?  When you know some Muslims and you have discussed matters with them, then you can comment.  Like Grappler you are talking out of your arse, Soren.  Grow up.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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