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Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia
Reply #45 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

Its still creepy. If you know the garage contents and movements of a family you don't personally know, that is really stalkerish,

Being deep-desert Middle Easterners they practically live in their front yard like Bedouins. The front yard resembles a garbage tip.

Stratos wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

How do even know what country she is from if you've never seen her face? She could be a third generation Australian convert for all you know!

She wears a burqa with her face exposed.

From a certain point of view it's understandable that some of these Third World people are in the habit of scrounging and scavenging. It's the government's job not to keep bringing people in who do not have any prospects of getting a job or accepting a job given to them by Centrelink.

It was published recently that a huge percentage of Muslim refugees still have no job after 5 years in Australia.

I wonder how this compares with the immigrant ethnicities who have a work ethic?

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia Reply #46 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:24pm: She wears a burqa with her face exposed. er, what?
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia Reply #47 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:40pm Stratos wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:24pm: She wears a burqa with her face exposed. er, what? Cocaine. That's why herbert heart is falling apart. We understand Herbert,carry on.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia Reply #48 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 6:10pm wally1 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:40pm: Stratos wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 4:24pm: She wears a burqa with her face exposed. er, what? Cocaine. That's why herbert heart is falling apart. We understand Herbert,carry on. I'll give you that one, Wally-0.
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Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia
Reply #49 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:19pm

Stratos wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:20am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 8:46pm:

Although the consequences were very harsh, all of those instances from the OT, relate to persons who would or were breaking a solemn covenant that they had made with another party.

Are you saying persons who make a [lawful] agreement, with another party, should not in fact have to honour their agreement ?

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds Yadda, especially when you keep posting things like this

Yadda wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 10:00pm:

brian = = a spineless, uncritical, apologist for the followers of Mohammed.
DEATH CULT[/size]
Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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Muslims Stage Demo Outside Police Station
Friday, 27th April 2007
Islamic supporters of six Muslims arrested in London earlier this week today staged a rowdy demonstration outside the top security police station where they are being held.
......The group, dressed in traditional Muslim clothes including veils, chanted in Arabic: "God is the greatest! There is only one God, Allah, and Mohammed is the final messenger of Allah!"
....."We are angry and furious. Islamic values have been attacked, Islamic women have been attacked by the Government and there has been a policy of spying on the Islamic community."
......Mr Islam said: "We definitely want to see Sharia law in place here. We want to see it implemented for everyone. Only then will there be harmony and there will be peace and justice amongst mankind."

British police arrest 6 men in counterterrorism raids
April 24, 2007
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/24/america/london.php

April 25, 2007
British Islamists to Protest Six Arrested Terrorists
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/187587.php

Stratos,

We [mankind] hate justice, and judgement.

And we reap lawlessness.

And then, when that lawlessness touches us, we feel fearful and angry.

"Why is lawlessness and violence 'touching' us!!"
, we say, with incredulity!

Stratos,

I call for the lawful judgement, of a group of people who are seeking to change Australia, so as to make moslem violence, and moslem murder [of those who are not moslems] a lawful act.

I want ISLAM to become a proscribed organisation in Australia [and in other western nations].

IMAGE...

Sydney CBD, 2012, members of the moslem DEATH CULT,
demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Members of the moslem DEATH CULT, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems], because they 'offend' and 'insult' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.

In contrast;
You choose to appease murders [and wannabe murderers] [and there is a reason why you choose to appease murders, but you will never disclose it].

And you condemn [the] judgement of what is evil and wrong.

Question;

Which Western nation/government is going to be the first, to declare ISLAM a proscribed group ?

Dictionary;

proscribe = = forbid, especially by law. denounce or condemn.

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Isaiah 5:23
Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia
Reply #50 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:20pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

I call for the lawful judgement, of a group of people who are seeking to change Australia, so as to make moslem violence, and moslem murder [of those who are not moslems] a lawful act.

I want ISLAM to become a proscribed organisation in Australia [and in other western nations].

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IMO, this generation has lost the ability to discern between good and evil, between truth and falsehood.

As individuals, we all know, or as adults, we should know by now!, that if we walk away from truth, we will [always!] reap confusion in our lives.

We [who seek peace] are kidding ourselves [we are living in la la land!], if we believe that aggression, or violence, is 'overcome', by our surrender to it!

Or if we believe that the appeasement of evil and wicked men, is a way to peace.

The appeasement of evil [men], does not lead to peace.

The aggression and violence of evil men, is not overcome, by our surrender, to the designs of those evil men.

That path leads only to slavery, and death.

How is peace achieved, in the real world?

Peace comes from justice.
Justice comes when we respect, and defend, free and open truth.
With justice comes peace.
Justice comes from facing up to, and embracing, TRUTH.

Peace comes through sacrifice, and our willingness to fight for truth, and to fight for what is right[eous].

And, peace comes from judgement.

Peace among men comes as a consequence of righteous judgement.

Peace among men comes when wicked men are judged, and when their fellows [other wicked men] come to understand that [their own] wicked actions, will bring judgement upon them.

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What Australia SHOULD DO [and which is just as unlikely to happen],

is that the Australian government should declare ISLAM to be a proscribed organisation - in Australia.

Dictionary;
proscribe = = forbid, especially by law. denounce or condemn.

And then arrest any and every person who self declares as a moslem, and intern them using force [until they can arrange their own exit from Australia].

Why so ?

Why should Australia declare ISLAM a proscribed organisation, in Australia ?

Because 'MAINSTREAM' ISLAM legitimises [and encourages] criminal violence against all non-moslems, against everyone who is outside of the moslem 'camp'.

Because ISLAM legitimises oppressing non-moslems [within a moslem majority jurisdiction] and imposing the status of cattle upon everyone who is outside of the moslem 'camp'.

Because it is the purposeful intention of moslems within Australia, to destroy the laws of this country, and to forcefully impose Sharia law upon us - making us the slaves of moslems.

The only thing which is protecting us [at this time] from the moslem intent of active violence against us, are Australian laws, and our will to enforce those laws.

But it is the intention of moslems living in Australia to destroy our society, and to destroy the institutions and laws which protect our peace and our liberties.

And if we let them do so, moslems will destroy our society.

That is their intent.

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ISLAM;

Any organisation which teaches its members that it is lawful for its own members to kill those outside of its group, should be banned [by an act of the Australian parliament].

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

A moslem = = is a person who is a member of a group/community of persons, and who embrace a violent political philosophy [which portrays itself as a justice-based 'religious' philosophy], but which encourages intimidation and extreme violence as 'acts of religious faith', against persons who do not believe as they believe.

Who is a moslem ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM should have its 'religion' status stripped from it, and ISLAM, and its practise in Australia should be proscribed [banned] by law.

Why so ?

Because ISLAM is a violent political philosophy [which masquerades as, and portrays itself as, a justice-based 'religious' philosophy].

Because ISLAM is a political philosophy which legitimises [i.e. MAKES LAWFUL!!] political violence against anyone, who oppose the political aspirations of moslems!

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia
Reply #51 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

Soren wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 12:51am:

Soren wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 6:44pm:

So, do Muslims deserve to be treated with the same respect that other non-Muslim Australians appear to receive automatically?

Do fascists, communists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists deserve respect FOR THE GROUP THEY CHOOSE TO BELONG TO?

No.

Your particular stupidity stems from treating ideology as if it was a biologically inherited trait, not a personal choice of values to live by.

I call Godwin's Law, Soren.

I didn't mention any of the groups you've named. I merely asked if Muslims should deserve the same respect that the members of other mainstream groups in Australian society appear to automatically receive from their fellow Australians. You've attempted to like Muslims to "Nazis" or "Communists".

Need I remind you what the fate of the Communist Party Dissolution Act of 1950 was? It was defeated in the High Court and by a referendum of the Australian people who refused to fall into lockstep with people such as you. The Australian people rejected political persecution then. Today, if asked, they would reject religious persecution like yours. Roll Eyes

Disagreement, dislike is not persecution.

It becomes that when you keep at it and at it and at it, continiously. Your posts against Islam and Muslims far out weight your posts on any other topic, Soren. Roll Eyes

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I compared Islam to nazism, communism AND Christianity and Buddhism, but you dishonestly left off the last two simply to distort what I said and enable yourself to be opnce again the po-faced preening little poseur.

I left them off because you had indeed compared Muslims to Nazis. Under Godwin's Law that is an automatic lose for you in internet debating. Grin

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In this you are the kind of totalitarian, oppressive lefty bigot we should all be very afraid of.

I have never been in favour of totalitarianism, Soren nor oppression. Nor am I a bigot, unlike yourself. Roll Eyes

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I said that Islam is an ideology, freely chosen, freely followed. Do people deserve respect for whatever ideology they believe in?
No.

Islam is a religion and its believers deserve the same respect as any other human being, Soren. You, however refuse to accord them that respect and instead choose to persecute them for their beliefs. Roll Eyes

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia Reply #52 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:26pm Lets face it Yadda, Islam is just superior to Christianity in every way.
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Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia
Reply #53 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:29pm

Grendel wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

You are a joke bwian... I live in NSW I have no doubt a much better idea about Muslims in Australia than you do.

Really? Or just some groups of Muslims?

I live in the same street as a Muslim family. I work every day with Muslims. I have studied with Muslims, I have been in the Army with Muslims and my views are based upon my intimate relationships with Muslims. Yours appear to be based upon sensationalist media reports about Muslims. How many Muslims do you know, personally, Beowulf? I've asked that question many times and you've always refused to answer it. I wonder why? I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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If you want to cwy bwian, then cry for ordinary Australians that have to put up with the intimidation and danger from the Muslim Community towards them.

I love it when you resort to baby talk, Beowulf. It just shows your level of maturity. I wonder how much intimidation Muslims have to put up with from people like you, Beowulf or are you one of those cowards who are only brave behind a keyboard? Roll Eyes

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Threats and actual; shootings, gang rapes, bombings, killing, organised crime gangs, outlaw bikie gangs, thuggery, riots, drugs, drive bys, aggression and intimidation in numbers... the list goes on and on and on and on bwian... you are a clueless apologetic.

I've never denied there are some bad Muslims. It is the continually broad brushed painting that you and others here do, branding all Muslims with the same attitudes. It is yours and others here bigotry that is the real problem. No good Muslims in your view? Well, that explains everything, now doesn't it? Roll Eyes

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Reply #54 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 11:48am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 6:32pm:

Young Muslim Australians can detail the sense of exclusion, the harassment and the vilification they have experienced.

We know from the survey that discrimination and prejudice was experienced by a large number of young Muslim Australians within the school setting, and by Muslim youths of all ages in public areas such as streets, shopping centres and similar places.

Priceless!

I'm nominating this for this year's Most Absurd Statement Award for 2013.

It's a corker.

Say one thing wrong to a Muslim youth in Sydney and out comes the mobile phone, and before you've gone a hundred paces a dozen cars containing hostile Muslim youths have converged upon you from all points of the compass.

Herbie, tell the truth, you've never, ever spoken to a "Muslim youth" in your life in any other tone than, "Yes, sir! Do you want fries with that?" Roll Eyes

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Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia
Reply #55 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

Big Dave wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

wally1 wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

A bloke I work with is Christian Lebanese and everyday he goes on about Muslims. He told me of a story when he was visiting his wife's relatives in Syria and the windows got blown out by a huge explosion. Glass all over his children. I don't blame anybody for being critical of Islam. If it's a peaceful religion then why is the message being lost on a lot of it's followers. Say what you feel Stratos. You don't have to apologise for everything.

well the place is at war at the moment, why would anybody want to travel there?

It was about 10 years ago. It's been going on a long time. Tell me wally, why are most Muslim countries at war with others or themselves?

Perhaps because they are in the middle of either (a) a revolution or (b) being oppressed?

Are you really that ignorant of world affairs? Roll Eyes

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Reply #56 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:36pm

Yadda wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 12:45am:

Soren wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 8:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Muslims, like everyone else, must take responsibility for their reputation.

Applying that logic then, the rest of Australian society must be in deep pooh if we consider you, Soren. Roll Eyes

Yeah, the place is full of people like me and it's so crappy, boat people want to get here even at the risk of drowning.

Thankfully, you are very much in the minority in Australia, Soren with your continued efforts at religious persecution. Roll Eyes

Religious persecution ?

That is a laugh!

No, its actually a serious matter, Yadda and unfortunately as you're one of the chief persecutors in this forum, and you're by your own admission a bigot, I think you can be ignored. Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Harassement of Muslims in Australia Reply #57 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:55pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:36pm: you're one of the chief persecutors in this forum You are an idiot by your own admission, Brian. You have no leg to stand on. You are the persecutors of freeborn men with independent views. You are a Stalinist, intolerant bigot.
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Reply #58 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 8:26pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 2:11pm:

We're all aware of your sympathies, Brian.

My sympathies always lie with the persecuted and the downtrodden, Lionel. You know, the people whom you like to persecute and beat down on, all the time?

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Does another thread warrant the already cluttered scoreboard about Muslims and their incompatibility amongst Western society - no matter where in the World it might be?

I've no idea. Perhaps you should ask Freediver, Soren, Yadda, the Baron, et al who feel any number of threads, no matter how much they repeat the same drivel and hatred are appropriate to persecute Muslims who have committed no wrong? Or is persecution of Muslims OK in your book?

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Islamic society is totalitarian - and that's before you confuse the issue with religious exemptions and the fate of minorities.

Bullshit. That would explain why so many Muslims are hungering for democracy in the Middle East? Are Malaysia or Indonesia totalitarian societies? You over-generalise as usual, Lionel. Roll Eyes

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Islam, and by extension, Muslims, are opposed to democracy and Christianity - and everyone else other than converts to their own belief system. And they won't stop until the entire World is Muslim.

Bullshit, Lionel. Using that logic, Christians won't rest until the world is Christian, afterall Christianity is just as evangelical as Islam, if not more so. I've never had a Muslim knock on my door demanding I change my religion. Roll Eyes

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Is that about right?

Or how 'bout you deny some of it.

Awaiting your latest variation of obfuscation.

Cheers! Cool

No obfuscation, Lionel. You appear to be very set on your views, no ability to compromise, no willingness to learn. Roll Eyes

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Reply #59 - Dec 8^th, 2013 at 8:31pm

[quote author=Big_Dave]
I've got mates who used to live in SW Sydney or still do and not one of them has anything good to say about Lebanese Muslims. My mate from Granville is moving to Queensland because his area is out of control. There is a problem you know Stratos. Big problems. They are brought up to not like the society around them. [/quote]

Perhaps your problem is that you assume all Muslims are the same?

Your mate's problem might be with the Lebanese, rather than with Muslims in general. I've known Muslims from Cyprus, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Kenya, Malaysia, Indonesian, the Philippines. They're all different, both culturally and individually.

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