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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #60 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:23am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:17am:
And why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ?


When they do, I absolutely condemn Muslims for lying and deceit.  The same way I do with anyone else, regardless of religion.

Now will you do me the same favour and condemn genocide or continue to argue for it?  Or will you continue to support baby killers?
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #62 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:23am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:17am:
And why won't you condemn moslems for their obvious lying and deceit ?


When they do, I absolutely condemn Muslims for lying and deceit.  The same way I do with anyone else, regardless of religion.

Now will you do me the same favour and condemn genocide or continue to argue for it?  Or will you continue to support baby killers?





Of course i condemn genocide and murder.


Jesus said that we should obey God's laws.

And do no murder.



"Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother."

Matthew 19:16-19i

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Or will you continue to support baby killers?


Baby killers ?

Do you mean those Jews, of modern day Israel, perhaps ?

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Reply #63 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:42am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am:
Of course i condemn genocide and murder.


Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?
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Reply #64 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:42am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am:
Of course i condemn genocide and murder.


Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?







Stratos,

I can see, and understand your logic.

And your logic is a perverse logic, imo

Dictionary;
perverse = =
1 showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave unacceptably.       sexually perverted.
2 contrary to that which is accepted or expected.






Your logic, is that we don't have the right to judge, and to punish criminals, no matter how evil their actions.

Your logic, would produce a society were criminals would not be separated from society ['because criminals are just like us'], and essentially criminals would not be held accountable for their criminal actions - INCLUDING CRIMES LIKE WANTON GENOCIDE OR MURDER.
[i.e. not too dissimilar to the circumstances we can see, in some/many nations, today.]

In your 'perfect' non-judgemental society, we would have criminals always living among a population, and as a consequence, frequently preying upon the innocent.

Your logic, is that it is wrong and evil, for individuals to seek to 'discriminate', and to seek to separate themselves from what they judge to be wrong and evil.

Your logic, is that we should just let what is wrong and evil fester, among us.

Because it is wrong, for us to discriminate in favour of, and to protect, what is precious [and innocent].



Yes, i have to commend you Stratos, you are so, so, 'progressive'!      [....and that, is not a compliment!]


progressive = = promote societal attitudes and common behaviours, which will undermine current societal structures and institutions until lawlessness is common, and lawlessness is accepted as the 'norm'.

progressive = = a person or group, who by their actions, promote lawlessness, so as to destroy the laws and therefore the fabric of a society.


Stratos,

You are a very perverse and deceitful individual, imo.







God opposes LAWLESSNESS in men [in mankind] and he opposes [will destroy ?] people such as yourself.

God hates LAWLESSNESS, and God wants men his children to separate what is precious, from what is vile.

And where men fail to choose, to separate what is precious, from what is vile, God intends to complete that task.


Isaiah 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21  For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.







Stratos,

You and i, live on different 'planets'.

And that, is good thing, imo.

ISLAM is what you are directly fostering and promoting, while all the while hiding your [true] self.

What, is your true self ?



ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.


Stratos,

IMO, there is no light, between what ISLAM is and what you are.

e.g.
When presented with evidences against them;
Moslems and moslem communities simply 'put up a wall' against reason, and refuse to acknowledge that ISLAM is a deceitful and extremely violent political philosophy,
.....which is masquerading as a justice based religion.


But rather, moslems condemn and denigrate their [rational] critics.

And you [too] Stratos, you can find it in you, to condemn and denigrate the critics of ISLAM.

But then, refuse to speak against or to condemn, what mainstream ISLAM is.

Or to condemn mainstream ISLAM, for the violent criminal behaviour which it clearly inspires, in moslems.

It is obvious 'where' you are standing Stratos.

Right beside SATAN.




Stratos,

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.







Stratos,

My God will prevail, he will have his good and righteous way, and he will remove [destroy ?] the lawless [i.e. those like yourself, who promote lawlessness].

His [sole] intention, is to purify his creation, to separate what is precious, from what is vile.


Psalms 14:4
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

Romans 3:5
....Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6  God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.




God bless Israel !


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Re: Local moslems vandalise a church in Germany
Reply #65 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:21am
 
oh boy, where to start.  Just to clarify my position in case it was unclear, was that two things you are advocating are never able to be justified, which is genocide, and the killing of infants, both of which the Israelites were instructed to do by God, and which you are defending

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
Your logic, is that we don't have the right to judge, and to punish criminals, no matter how evil their actions.


Never said that. Incorrect representation.

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
Your logic, would produce a society were criminals would not be separated from society


Thats funny, what with you being the one arguing on behalf of those who commit genocide and infanticide.  I don't want baby killers or war criminals living alongside other people, that's your shtick.

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
In your 'perfect' non-judgemental society, we would have criminals always living among a population, and as a consequence, frequently preying upon the innocent


As opposed to yours where those who commit genocide and kill babies are somehow OK.  Your argument is getting frankly a bit weird.

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
Because it is wrong, for us to discriminate in favour of, and to protect, what is precious [and innocent].


YOU ARE ARGUING FOR THE MURDER OF BABIES AND DECIDE TO USE THIS AS A POINT. 

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
You are a very perverse and deceitful individual, imo.


Not perverse enough to stand and defend baby killers like you are however. 

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.


Deplorable definitely, where it occurs, and the majority of the worlds Muslims would agree with you and I on that. 

bad yes, but not as bad as standing up on behalf of baby killers like the Israelites in the Old Testament like you are doing.

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
IMO, there is no light, between what ISLAM is and what you are.


Well your opinion of Muslims is a bit out there.  I had bacon for breakfast and everything.

Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
My God will prevail, he will have his good and righteous way, and he will remove [destroy ?] the lawless [i.e. those like yourself, who promote lawlessness].


Well if i stop posting suddenly, you'll know your God has come through on his promise.   As long as I'm posting your God is ineffectual.

tl,dr:  Stop promoting baby killing yadda, it's all kinds of messed up.
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Reply #66 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 2:30pm
 
Struggling British Synagogue Saved By City's Muslims




Rather than close, Bradford Reform Synagogue's future is brighter than ever after the intervention of Bradford's Muslim community, which according to the 2011 census outnumbers the city's Jews by 129,041 to 299.

A fundraising effort – led by the secretary of a nearby mosque, together with the owner of a popular curry house and a local textile magnate – has secured the long-term future of the synagogue and forged a friendship between Bradfordian followers of Islam and Judaism. All things being well, by Christmas the first tranche of £103,000 of lottery money will have reached the synagogue's bank account after some of Bradford's most influential Muslims helped Leavor and other Jews to mount a bid.

The cross-cultural co-operation is warmly welcomed by Leavor, who moved to the city from Berlin as a refugee in 1937. "It's fantastic," he said this week, in a joint interview with Zulfi Karim, secretary of Bradford Council of Mosques. "Rudi is my new found big brother," said Karim, who is on the board at the central Westgate mosque a few hundred metres up the road from the synagogue. "It makes me proud that we can protect our neighbours and at the same time preserve an important part of Bradford's cultural heritage."

Now the two men get on so well that when Leavor goes on holiday he gives the synagogue keys to Karim, as well as the alarm code. They have begun what they hope will be a lasting tradition, whereby the Jewish community invites local Muslims and Christians to an oneg shabbat (Friday night dinner) and Muslims return the invitation for a Ramadan feast and Christians during the harvest festival. For the latter, Karim provided halal mince for the shepherd's pie.
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Reply #67 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:47pm
 
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

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.....The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists.


Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da'wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it.

In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html




Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 11:21am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 8:49am:
ISLAM is political philosophy which [it can be demonstrated!] uses common age-old political 'mechanisms' [like lying, deception, intimidation, and extreme violence], in seeking to pursue its [ISLAM's] political aims.


Deplorable definitely, where it occurs, and the majority of the worlds Muslims would agree with you and I on that. 

bad yes, but not as bad as standing up on behalf of baby killers like the Israelites in the Old Testament like you are doing.




Stratos,

Then WHY do those moslems, the majority of the worlds moslems, choose to associate themselves with ISLAM ???


Paraphrasing Stratos,
"The majority of moslems [pretend that they] are not moslems Yadda.
When are you going to stop being a hate-monger Yadda ?"


Projection.


i.e. The majority of the worlds moslems, choose to associate themselves with a philosophy, which actively projects hatred towards those people who are not moslems.

But you are a hate-monger Yadda, for continually pointing that fact out.



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Reply #68 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 3:51pm
 
Quote:
7 November 2007
Afghanistan mourns bomb victims
......President Karzai said about 35 people had been killed - most of them children, teachers and MPs - while the provincial governor told the BBC there had been 41 deaths.
......But our correspondent says many questions remain, including that of responsibility.
The Taleban have denied that they carried out the attack, but they and al-Qaeda are the only ones known to use suicide bombs in Afghanistan so far.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7082481.stm







The moslem justification for the slaughter of children, during "Jihad operations"....

Quote:
There Can Be No End to Jihad'

Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11, the Christians he most respects, and the Jesus he defends.
posted 11/05/2007
....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.
....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise.
....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.
However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.


.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems.

Google;
"There Can Be No End to Jihad"



i.e.
SO, ACCORDING TO THE DUPLICITY OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA....

If those who resist ISLAMISTS inadvertently kill innocents  = = "THEY, ARE MURDERERS OF INNOCENTS"

But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents  = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents]





Allah justifies the moslem 'total war' against infidels.

And, moslems always blame the infidels, for the consequences of ISLAM's 'total war'.

IMAGE...
A MOSLEM COMBATANT;
...




YET MORE IMAGES OF MOSLEM COMBATANTS HERE;
Please close the Islam forum
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382389044/120#120

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.


Paraphrasing Stratos,
"In the Bible, Yadda's God called for the destruction of 6 nations, 3,400 years ago.
Therefore Yadda supports genocide."


Projection.

There are no contemporary 'rules of war', for moslems.

Moslems do not recognise such 'rules'.

ISLAM itself, brings every moslem, every moslem man, woman, and child, as a combatant, to 'the battlefield'.






Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:42am:
Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am:
Of course i condemn genocide and murder.


Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?




Stratos,

I can see, and understand your logic.

And your logic is a perverse logic, imo

Dictionary;
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1 showing a deliberate and obstinate desire to behave unacceptably.       sexually perverted.
2 contrary to that which is accepted or expected.





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Reply #69 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:03pm
 
nice, an Omar Bakri quote.  He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.  Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful. 

Yadda, you sure do type a lot of words in your responses, but precious little of it is a response to what i have said.

Also none of it involves you denouncing the Old Testament practice of genocide and infanticide. As long as you support those two things you are far FAR worse than any Muslim I have ever met.

Your arguments support the killing of babies.  Stop supporting the murder of Infants Yadda
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Reply #70 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:30pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:36am:

Of course i condemn genocide and murder.





Stratos wrote on Jan 2nd, 2014 at 9:42am:

Ok, simple, condemn God's actions when he instructed the Israelites to commit genocide against other nations?






Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:
nice, an Omar Bakri quote.  He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.  Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful. 

Yadda, you sure do type a lot of words in your responses, but precious little of it is a response to what i have said.

Also none of it involves you denouncing the Old Testament practice of genocide and infanticide. As long as you support those two things you are far FAR worse than any Muslim I have ever met.

Your arguments support the killing of babies.  Stop supporting the murder of Infants Yadda




I'm thinking of changing my nickname from Yadda, to Herod.

Or maybe Abdullah ?


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Reply #71 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:41pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:

nice, an Omar Bakri quote.  He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.  Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful. 




Stratos,

Terrorism is condemned by the majority of moslems too.

But that condemnation of terrorism [by moslems], doesn't stop the majority of terrorism acts that are being committed today, from being committed by moslems.

Those facts sorta demonstrates a disconnect between what moslems declare, and what moslems condemn condone, don't you think ?i
Terrorism is condemned by the majority of moslems......

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Reply #72 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:54pm
 
I'm not calling you a hatemonger.  I'm calling you someone who supports the murder of infants.

Which you are, and provably so.
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Reply #73 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:07pm
 
Stratos wrote on Jan 3rd, 2014 at 5:03pm:

nice, an Omar Bakri quote.

He is condemned by the majority of Muslims.


Maybe you knew that and are being intentionally deceitful. 




You mean Omar Bakri was denounced by those 'honest' moslems ?

You mean Omar Bakri was denounced by that collection of people, who have a reputation for being inveterate LAIRS AND DECEIVERS ?






e.g.
When Yasser Arafat was alive, on numerous occasions [and for the benefit of the Western media ] after a terrorist outrage, Yasser Arafatwould often publicly declared;

"...I condemn completely this terrorist activity"
.

But Yasser Arafat was also recorded, when being among moslems, encouraging such 'Jihad operations'.

Just more deceit from your camp, Stratos.

What fine companions you have, Stratos.

The murderers and liars, which you stand beside, and defend.



Watch Yasser Arafat....

Please watch this YT...         goto 2m 45s
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0




Google;
Yasser Arafat died a billionaire

Yasser Arafat corruptly appropriated $billions in aid donations provided by naive EU governments.

How could this happen ???


Ask Stratos.





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Reply #74 - Jan 3rd, 2014 at 6:16pm
 
Oh thats right, apparently I'm a terrorist.  Hope ASIO isn't watching the forums.

Find me one thing i've said which condones religious extremism yadda

just one.
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