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Labor the big economic reformers
Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:04pm
 
This article looks at the ten biggest economic reforms that have helped Australia achieve prosperity. I can't get the full article online. Sorry to all the knee-jerk reactionists, but handouts for farmers and carmakers are probably not among them.

Only one - the GST - is credited to the Liberals alone. Three are credited to both parties. All the remainder are credited to the Labor Party.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/success-began-with-floating-the-dollar/story-e6frgd0x-1226780122351#

AUSTRALIA'S unprecedented and unparalleled 22 years of economic growth has many causes. It is a success story with many fathers and mothers. A combination of a series of government decisions and a fortuitous symmetry between the structure of our economy and the needs of our fast-growing Asian neighbours has seen our economy grow continuously for longer than at any time in our history and longer than any comparable modern country. The Grattan Institute has identified the 10 big government reforms which have contributed to this growth. They range from the floating of the dollar, through tariff reductions, to the reform of higher education funding. Of the 10 big reforms, nine were introduced by federal Labor governments. Three of these can be traced to a joint bipartisan ownership between the Labor and Liberal parties. Only one (the GST) can be claimed as the sole child of the conservatives.
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Reply #1 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:12pm
 
Opinion written by Chris Bowen. That's funny.
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Reply #2 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:17pm
 
Yes, FD, but Mr Abbott will not be reforming anything, we all know that. Stable, reliable, predictable government, steady as she goes, the grown-ups back in charge. Say what you’ll do and do what you say, that’s Mr Abbott’s motto, Muslim terrorists and paedophile priests back on the front pages again.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.
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Reply #3 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:26pm
 
This has been written by Chris Bowen, the former Interim Leader of the Labor Party.

You may as well just put up a story from the ALP website.

This is hardly political analysis - its a party broadcast.
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Reply #4 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
The grattan institute is Chris Bowen?  What is it with conservatives not being able to read a few lines?
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Reply #5 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:32pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:29pm:
The grattan institute is Chris Bowen?  What is it with conservatives not being able to read a few lines?


Grown-ups, you mean.

Everyone else can suck Mr Abbott’s slug.
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Reply #6 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:33pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:29pm:
The grattan institute is Chris Bowen?  What is it with conservatives not being able to read a few lines?



Or comprehend what they DO read....
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Reply #7 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:39pm
 
Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:29pm:
The grattan institute is Chris Bowen?  What is it with conservatives not being able to read a few lines?



Or comprehend what they DO read....


Mr Abbott’s a dish. He’s a tall glass of water.

Trainee priest, monarchist, firefighter and triathlete.

Yes, leftards, Australia is open for business again.
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Reply #8 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:45pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
This has been written by Chris Bowen, the former Interim Leader of the Labor Party.

You may as well just put up a story from the ALP website.

This is hardly political analysis - its a party broadcast.



And yet it is valid for your mates to re post the Bolt / Ackerman article each day?
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Reply #9 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:51pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
This has been written by Chris Bowen, the former Interim Leader of the Labor Party.

You may as well just put up a story from the ALP website.

This is hardly political analysis - its a party broadcast.



And yet it is valid for your mates to re post the Bolt / Ackerman article each day?

What seat in parliament do Bolt and Ackerman hold?
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Reply #10 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:55pm
 
Proud Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:51pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
This has been written by Chris Bowen, the former Interim Leader of the Labor Party.

You may as well just put up a story from the ALP website.

This is hardly political analysis - its a party broadcast.



And yet it is valid for your mates to re post the Bolt / Ackerman article each day?

What seat in parliament do Bolt and Ackerman hold?


The toilet seat?

Oh, hang on... That's Alan's job.  Tongue
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Reply #11 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:57pm
 
Reported. You are obviously here to troll  Kiss
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Reply #12 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 11:03pm
 
Proud Aussie wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:51pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
This has been written by Chris Bowen, the former Interim Leader of the Labor Party.

You may as well just put up a story from the ALP website.

This is hardly political analysis - its a party broadcast.



And yet it is valid for your mates to re post the Bolt / Ackerman article each day?

What seat in parliament do Bolt and Ackerman hold?


What seat does the Grattan Institute hold?
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Reply #13 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 11:11pm
 
History backs Keating's claim on economy


The Australian
June 29, 2007



PAUL Keating is 100 per cent right when he says that when you change the government, you change the nation. He might have added that when the government changes, the nation's storyline also changes as the incoming party emphasises, and sometimes rewrites, strands of our historical narrative to suit itself. 
 
The narrative matters. Along with taking care of the voter's hip pocket, it's a fundamental weapon in asserting and maintaining dominance over your political opponent. They, along with the qualities of the contending leaders, are what determines election outcomes.

That's why there has been a mighty mud wrestle this week between current and former prime ministers, treasurers and Treasury secretaries over who did what, when and why on economic policy in Australia during the past three decades.

And that's why this isn't an academic spat about the past between former treasurers Howard and Keating, but rather is a key political conflict between Prime Minister John Howard and Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd. At stake is Labor's reputation as an economic manager and, by implication, its fitness for government.

And it's not just a former Labor prime minister pointing out Howard's porkies on this score but a former Liberal prime minister, too - Howard's old boss, Malcolm Fraser.

Howard would have us believe that as the Fraser government's treasurer from 1977 to 1983 he was frustrated in his desire to open up the then uncompetitive, inward-looking Australian economy, by a fuddy-duddy boss.

Howard positions himself as the person really behind the subsequent floating of the Australian dollar, the dismantling of industry protection and the introduction of enterprise bargaining into the workplace that resulted in big increases in labour productivity in the 1980s and early '90s.

The massive boom Australia is enjoying now is therefore down to him, goes Howard's argument.

Does this stand up to scrutiny?

Over the years Fraser has had a simple, consistent and powerful response to Howard's whine about being an economic reform warrior cruelly stymied by an old-money, Western Districts prime minister: show me the cabinet submissions.

Fraser points out that Howard cannot produce a single cabinet submission in which Howard proposed any measure to open up and modernise the Australian economy that was knocked back. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, Fraser's word has to be accepted.


The 30-year-rule protecting cabinet papers from Howard's period as treasurer is unlikely to save Howard on this point as it progressively expires from the end of this year. As prime minister he can access any cabinet paper he wants. If there were cabinet submissions countering Fraser's taunt, you can bet Howard would have dug them out and leaked them by now.

Further, Howard was widely known at the time to have dragged his feet establishing the Campbell committee, whose report on the financial system set the tone for aspects of Labor's reforms in the '80s and early '90s. The impetus came from Fraser's office, which had to prod a reluctant Howard into bringing a cabinet submission forward to get the Campbell committee going.

Howard trying to steal credit for the Hawke and Keating governments' massive and massively successful modernisation of the Australian economy (in partnership with an informed and intelligent trade union movement) is desperate stuff.


As he casts his mind back to that period he may want to pause and consider this point: he was in Opposition the whole time.
The argument that Howard made the public case for such reform during the Labor years is sterile to say the least. Being able to talk about sex doesn't make the bride pregnant. It takes something more
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In the case of economic reform in the '80s and early '90s it took actually being in office. Not only was Howard in Opposition at the time, he and his ideas were so ill-supported on his own side of politics that he was Liberal leader for just three years and nine months of Labor's 13 years in office.

Howard couldn't sell an ice cream in hell for most of his time in Opposition, let alone a challenging economic reform agenda. Following on from Bill Hayden's herculean efforts in Opposition to school Labor in modern economic fundamentals, Bob Hawke and Paul Keating, in contrast, could and did.

Howard's economic legacy is this: a massive increase in the complexity of the tax system, an explosion in business regulation, inculcation of a public debt aversion that has choked off development of the infrastructure needed to optimise growth, and labour laws thicker than the Sydney Yellow Pages.

That's progress Howard-style.

You can take the word of Keating and Fraser as gospel on Howard's worth as an economic reformer. Lucky for Howard he's got a once-every-50-years sized terms of trade boost and booming world economy to provide a figleaf for his embarrassment
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/michael-costello-history-backs-keatings-...




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Reply #14 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 11:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:39pm:
Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:33pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:29pm:
The grattan institute is Chris Bowen?  What is it with conservatives not being able to read a few lines?



Or comprehend what they DO read....


Mr Abbott’s a dish. He’s a tall glass of water.

Trainee priest, monarchist, firefighter and triathlete.

Yes, leftards, Australia is open for business again.



A Petri dish?
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