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Reply #225 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:27pm
 
Caucasian Ainu in Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people
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The Ainu (Japanese: アイヌ?), also called Aynu, Aino (アイノ), and in historical texts Ezo (蝦夷), are an indigenous people in Japan (Hokkaidō) and Russia (Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands).

Historically, they spoke Ainu and related varieties. Most of those who identify themselves as Ainu still live in this same region, though the exact number of living Ainu is unknown. This is due to confusion over mixed heritages and to ethnic issues in Japan resulting in those with Ainu backgrounds hiding their identities. Intermarriage with Japanese has blurred the concept of a pure Ainu ethnic group.[5] Official estimates of the population are of around 25,000, while the unofficial number is upward of 200,000 people.[1]
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Reply #226 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 2:04pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 11:57am:
Soren wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 11:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 7:24pm:
Sparky wrote on Dec 21st, 2013 at 6:05pm:
If races are like breeds of dogs I wonder what Asian's would be?



Is "Asian" a race?



Yes. (I assume you mean Mongoloids.)



Asian is a geographical term not a racial one. Mongoloids although Asian are not the only Asians. The term can and does refer to a wide range of racial types including sub continental Indians,  Mongoloids and Austronesians. In fact in the photo you posted there are examples where all of those racial types depicted could be called Asians.


Hang on - you were saying how there's no such thing as race, but now you're referring to them.

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Reply #227 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 2:08pm
 
... wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 2:04pm:
Hang on - you were saying how there's no such thing as race, but now you're referring to them.

Nether of your statements are correct.
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Reply #228 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 2:30pm
 
then correct me
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Reply #229 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:02pm
 
already have, see post 215
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Reply #230 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:21pm:
Soren wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 12:16pm:
Nonsense.
Everyone - even you and Pecherhead - can see that on of the kids is Asian, one European, one Australian Aborigine and one African.

They cannot be all called Asians.




Why do you feel the need to call them anything other than kids?




Why do you feel the need to call women 'women' and men 'men. Why not just call them 'people'.


They are kids.  They are obviously different kids.  Difference is not always pejorative, numpty.

Pretending not to see evident, obvious difference is just plain stupid. Which is what you are, despite the loud banging of your pots and pans about how nobody can answer you and your sad self-boostering.

East Asians are different to West Asians, Arabs, Africans, Southern or Northern Europeans, American Indians, Aborigines.
Everyone knows it, everyone can readily picture people with these various racial characteristics.





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Reply #231 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 11:51am:
This explains it very well for the beginners and non academically inclined in this subject like Honky.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web2/ramon2.html

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Beginning in the 1940's, scientists began to realize that the racial map of human beings did not match what they were learning of human genes. Scientists due agree with the idea that people look different, mainly because of the varied environments in which they and their ancestors live. They have physically changed as environmental conditions warranted. Take skin color, as an example. It is essentially an adaptation to the amount of sun received. People from regions with lots of direct overhead sunlight (the tropics) tend to have darker skin than people from cloudy or oblique sunlight regions (northern temperate zones). Since melanin protects the skin from harmful ultraviolet radiation, people with more melanin in tropical areas tended to live longer, and produce more children, than people who were melanin deficient. Sunlight also stimulates vitamin D production. People from northern Europe and Asia who had little or no melanin were able to absorb more of the little sunlight there was, which enabled them to produce more vitamin D. (7)

Vast new data in human biology have completely revamped the traditional notions of race. Race is a biological term that describes the DNA structure of an individual as a fixed attribute that cannot be changed. This idea is used in biology to discuss how different peoples adapt to environments and hence, making the term "race" have no scientific basis. Today most scientists reject the concept of race as a valid way of defining human beings. Researchers no longer believe that races are distinct biological categories created by differences in genes that people inherit from their ancestors. Genes vary, but not in the popular notion of black, white, yellow, red and brown races. Many biologist and anthropologists have concluded that race is a social, cultural and political concept based largely on superficial appearances. (4)

In the past, races were identified by the imposition of discrete boundaries upon continuous and often discordant biological variation. The concept of race is therefore a historical construct and not one that provides either valid classification or an explanatory process. Popular everyday awareness of race is transmitted from generation to generation through cultural learning. Attributing race to an individual or a population amounts to applying a social and cultural label that lacks scientific consensus and supporting data. While anthropologists continue to study how and why humans vary biologically, it is apparent that human populations differ from one another much less than do populations in other species because we use our cultural, rather than our physical differences to aid us in adapting to various environments.


Its not that difficult to understand and no need to get bogged down in semantics, the term "race" is used for convenience as is the classification of humans into different racial groups.


It's hard to see what you think this 'proves' or 'disproves'.  Perhaps you could highlight a relevant passage, or quote any assertion which you think it disproves?

The very fact that human genes can tell you anything is clear evidence that there is a biological basis to race.  It's not because of magic that the children of chinesies have slitty eyes.  You can argue the differences are insignificant, but even insignificant things still exist - take greggerypeccary for example.

Darwin himself estimated there were over 60 races, and stressed it was probably an underestimate - why the hell would you expect it to be 'cleaner' trying to cram them into 4 or 5 broader categories? 



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Reply #232 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:34pm
 
Is calling somebody a Mongoloid racist? I have so many questions. Grin
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Reply #233 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:49pm
 
... wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:23pm:
It's hard to see what you think this 'proves' or 'disproves'.  Perhaps you could highlight a relevant passage, or quote any assertion which you think it disproves?

The very fact that human genes can tell you anything is clear evidence that there is a biological basis to race.  It's not because of magic that the children of chinesies have slitty eyes.  You can argue the differences are insignificant, but even insignificant things still exist - take greggerypeccary for example.

Darwin himself estimated there were over 60 races, and stressed it was probably an underestimate - why the hell would you expect it to be 'cleaner' trying to cram them into 4 or 5 broader categories? 



You can continue arguing what I have already disproved, good luck with that, you have already been owned on this.  I am in complete awe of your comprehensive misunderstanding of this subject, just go and read a bit more. ATM you are not capable of arguing this with me.
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Reply #234 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:51pm
 
Any recommendations on what i should read?

I'd recommend you read this

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Reply #235 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:53pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:06pm:


East Asians are different to West Asians, Arabs, Africans, Southern or Northern Europeans, American Indians, Aborigines.
Everyone knows it, everyone can readily picture people with these various racial characteristics.





Really? Can you state which different races these people are thanks.
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Reply #236 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:57pm
 
... wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:51pm:
Any recommendations on what i should read?

I'd recommend you read this


I generally stay away from blog opinion posts. If this is where you are getting your knowledge base from no wonder you have a paucity of it. I suggest you start reading any peer reviewed accepted scientific fact as a starter.
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Reply #237 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:58pm
 
Sparky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:34pm:
Is calling somebody a Mongoloid racist? I have so many questions. Grin

Depends. If someone called you a mongoloid I would call it an opinion based on observable fact.
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Reply #238 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 4:02pm
 
aaaand along comes the ol' appeal to "any peer reviewed scientific fact" as if you had expertise, experience or even an interest in the topic. you don't know what you read, but you know it was peer-reviewed.  Grin   What a copout - do you think anyone believes your "understanding" comes from anything more substantial than "I heard something, somewhere"?  Do you think you can hide the fact you've never read a single book on the subject by feigning an air of dismissive arrogance?  Do you clods have any awareness of how hollow and transparent you are? 


The most hard hitting statement from your "be-all-and-end-all" link:

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Many biologist and anthropologists have concluded that race is a social, cultural and political concept based largely on superficial appearances.


unstated number of unnamed scientists have concluded.  Gee.  Do you see the difference between that and "science has thoroughly discredited the notion of race"?


But again, they give the game away by what they skirt around:

"Based largely on superficial appearances". 

Say, what causes our appearances?  What causes our eyes to look slitty or our skin be pale? 

our genes, right? 

And if that's what it's 'largely' based on, as opposed to 'totally' based on, what else is there? 
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Reply #239 - Dec 22nd, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:58pm:
Sparky wrote on Dec 22nd, 2013 at 3:34pm:
Is calling somebody a Mongoloid racist? I have so many questions. Grin

Depends. If someone called you a mongoloid I would call it an opinion based on observable fact.
Oh cheer up Ian. It's Christmas. Smiley
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