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Reply #15 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:36pm

Soren wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Is it? Sure could have fooled me. Parliament is still overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descendants. Our laws derive still from the European canon. Our multicultural society is still overwhelmingly European in character. Asian descended Australians still make up less than ~5% of the population.

Why do you have a problem with Australian citizens who are of Asian descent? Are you a racist? Roll Eyes

Are there any important differences between Asians and Europeans?

If not - why call them Asians and Europeans?

If yes - why pretend they do not matter?

Asian societies are evidently different from European ones. Are you going to pretend to be blind and deaf and stupid just to be PC??

Asian societies are different to European ones, Soren, no doubt about it. However, all societies share common values and beliefs. As this rant was directed specifically towards Australians of Asian descent perhaps you should ask the original poster what his problem is with them? I cannot answer for him but as far as I am concerned, I have no problems with them. Do you? If so, why?

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Reply #16 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:36pm:

Asian societies are different to European ones, Soren, no doubt about it. However, all societies share common values and beliefs. As this rant was directed specifically towards Australians of Asian descent perhaps you should ask the original poster what his problem is with them? I cannot answer for him but as far as I am concerned, I have no problems with them. Do you? If so, why?

What are the common values shared by all societies? Things to do with biology -not society. They all want to live, eat, sh!t, bugger, and have kids who can live, eat, sh!t, bugger and have kids to carry on the tradition in peace - as do ants.

Society is about ideas. And there is a great divergence about the idea of what makes a good society - hence the bankruptcy of multiculturalism.

There is no common ground about the value of individuals, the nature of citizenship, community, inclusion and exclusion, ethical standards and values and all the rest of what society is about.

There have been war for centuries precisely because the lack of shared values about what makes a good society.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #17 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 9:53pm As a closet racist- ya know, one of those people who would prefer to think they weren't a racist but probably is- I can confirm the swamping issue is scary. HEY WHY DON'T YOU JUST ALL CALL ME JOHN HOWARD? Seriously, but: the world turns and globalisation is a b%$#&#d !!
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 9:59pm Isn't it democracy that is about ideas? Perhaps you mean society is an idea and further it is an idea that doesn't exist like m thatcher said!
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Winston Smith Gold Member Offline Ministry of Truth Posts: 1549 Oceania Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 10:46pm This is a question of memes not genes. Different cultures follow different paradigms. You would have to attempt to analyze them individually in context to draw any empirical conclusions. It is too complex a subject to be treated in 'isms'.
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Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:27pm

Soren wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:36pm:

Asian societies are different to European ones, Soren, no doubt about it. However, all societies share common values and beliefs. As this rant was directed specifically towards Australians of Asian descent perhaps you should ask the original poster what his problem is with them? I cannot answer for him but as far as I am concerned, I have no problems with them. Do you? If so, why?

What are the common values shared by all societies?

Many things, Soren.

Respect for elders; respect for the rule of law; the outlawing of violence/theft/etc. Protection of the young, are a few of them.

Can you name a society that doesn't have those values, Soren?

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There have been war for centuries precisely because the lack of shared values about what makes a good society.

Most wars are over resources and politics, rarely values as such, Soren. Only a simpleton like George W. Bush could declare that Islamists hate Western society because they are "jealous of our freedoms". Of course, in reality what Islamists hate is Western meddling in Islamic society and changing people from the "one true path" that they (the Islamists) have declared in their takfiri way as the only acceptable one. Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Most wars are over resources and politics, rarely values as such, Soren.

Not being a simpleton nor wedded to binary thought, I can accept that values are a component in war.

No one wanted the values of Nazism or that of racist Imperial Japan, people as in "the people", have fought against the values of communism and one of the great wars of the modern era, the American Civil War was fought on values.

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Reply #23 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:27am

Datalife wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Most wars are over resources and politics, rarely values as such, Soren.

Not being a simpleton nor wedded to binary thought, I can accept that values are a component in war.

No one wanted the values of Nazism or that of racist Imperial Japan, people as in "the people", have fought against the values of communism and one of the great wars of the modern era, the American Civil War was fought on values.

Admittedly people were happy for German nazi values or Imperial Japans or communist Russias values to remain in the country of origin. It was the spreading through other countries we were opposed to so even those were resources and politics.

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #24 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #25 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am: Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would. And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?
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Reply #26 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

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Reply #27 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

Will they? Will there?

You have a crystal ball?

Why should these events occur?

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #28 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

Will they? Will there?

You have a crystal ball?

Why should these events occur?

So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball.

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Re: Australia Grows More "Asian"
Reply #29 - Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:22pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

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