ian wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:


This is true, my friend. In my countries we cannot tell a shia without his sword. It is the same with the cheese dealers also, I am thinking.

are you saying it isn't racist to racially stereotype an individual simply because of their facial characteristics? I mean, I don't really care, Im a bit of a bigot towards certain cultural groups myself but at least own what you are saying.

ian wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:


I am saying that an Asian is an Asian, A European a European, an African an African. We all see it, we all know what each means, roughly and it's moronic beyond words to expect people to pretend that they do not notice it. All this fvckn race-obsession has gone way too far. There is such a thing as Chinese, Nigerian, Mexican, Danish, Italian, Aborigine.

There is such thing as East Asian, white, black, Arab, Indian, American Indian, etc. Each has recognisable sub-groups. Everyone knows it, everyone operates with the knowledge. History, moreover, tells us that they are not equal beyond biology. maybe that's the reason for the big sensitivity. History.

But in this age of population movements, each is FREE to improve on its historical inheritance. No need to cling to historical and cultural backwardness, no matter what your race or culture. Aim for the best that has been produced. Every race and sub-group is now free to participate in AIMING HIGH. That's the key.

ian wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:


As far as our debate goes what was it that I said to you that you perceived to be racist? That's the problem here. Racism is such an overused word these days, so much so people don't really know its true definition anymore.

Most (notice I use the word "most" and not "all") of the asian immigrants migrated here at a time when Australia was already a well-established country, in other words their forefathers migrated here at a time when infrastructure had already existed (housing, education, economy, etc). That's the only thing that attracted them to Australia, all thanks to Anglo-Australians' ancestors who built that very infrastructure from scratch and ground up when Australia was initially merely a desert with no proper sanitation to begin with.
What I'm trying to say is that those asian migrants just wanna come and live here when everything is all good and everything is in place already built for them. They just want to take advantage of our resources and infrastructure for they see Australia as it is today, a first world developed country with proper sanitation, good housing and education, so on and so forth. They never went through tough times in Australia like our ancestors and the aborigines did.

Yeah fair dinkum some of them are 2nd generation or older, but I just felt that the ties that bind them to their native country (most of them still have relatives in asia) and their race supersedes that of their Australian identity. The way I see it, yeah they may be Australian through and through love vegemite, know waltzing Matilda and all those stuffs but they still see themselves as asians first above everything else. I had overheard a conversation between an asian mother and her son at the airport few years ago. The mom was telling her son in English "You may be Australian. You may be living on the furthest corner of the Earth far from home. But you're still a chinese. Don't forget your roots".

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2014 at 8:58pm:
really? Lets test this theory of yours out then. describe exactly what an "Asian" is, i.e. their exact racial characteristics.

Nice deflection. doesn't answer the question though, exactly what is the racial definition of an Asian.? You made the statement, now back it up.

how so? Soren made the claim that an Asian is an Asian and that we all know what that means. Im asking for clarification, exactly what racial characteristics define an Asian. Is it a hard question? Perhaps you can answer this Honky since soren has run away from this difficult question..

White flag accepted. Let the record show Soren and Honky cannot answer this simple question. Can anyone answer this question? Exactly what racial characteristics define an Asian?