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Reply #45 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:12am

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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance.

Ever tried it? Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef. Quite tasty too! Cheesy

No, and I never will. I could just imagine how they were slaughtered as well. Animal rights do not exist in many Asian countries. Funny how "progressives" turn a blind eye to this. Oh, that's right, it's a non-western country, so they could drop nukes on school kids and you'd excuse it somehow.

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Reply #46 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:28am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

Will they? Will there?

You have a crystal ball?

Why should these events occur?

So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball.

I rather think that is the point. With Australians whom are of Asian descent making up a minority of the population, how are they going to "take over"? Moreover, why would China bother?

My question though, is what is the problem? If all Australians, no matter what their descent are Australians, doesn't that mean that Australia remains Australian?

Or are you talking about something like racism?

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Reply #47 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:37am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance.

Ever tried it? Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef. Quite tasty too! Cheesy

No, and I never will. I could just imagine how they were slaughtered as well. Animal rights do not exist in many Asian countries. Funny how "progressives" turn a blind eye to this. Oh, that's right, it's a non-western country, so they could drop nukes on school kids and you'd excuse it somehow.

Enjoying your thatching?

Many Asian nations have animal rights but simply don't carry them to the extremes that many Western societies do. Japan is an interesting case. They allow slaughter of Dolphins and Porpoises and eat Whale meat (which is also delcious), creatures which are almost sacrosanct in the West but have very heavy laws on the treatment of domestic animals and pets. Taiwan has similar laws but allows the eating of Dog, which are raised and slaughtered under some pretty strict rules.

Dogs and Cats are simply small mammals, nothing more. What emotional attachment you put on them is your affair. As long as their slaughter is humane, I don't have any problem with it. Several Aboriginal tribes consider Cat a delicacy, which is where I've eaten it. All I can say is animals for courses. Cheesy

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Reply #48 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:42am

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:37am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Eating cats and dogs isn't a cultural value I would want here. And good luck trying to convince Australians it's okay with trendy slogans like diversity and tolerance.

Ever tried it? Cat tastes like Chicken and Dog tastes like Beef. Quite tasty too! Cheesy

No, and I never will. I could just imagine how they were slaughtered as well. Animal rights do not exist in many Asian countries. Funny how "progressives" turn a blind eye to this. Oh, that's right, it's a non-western country, so they could drop nukes on school kids and you'd excuse it somehow.

Enjoying your thatching?

Many Asian nations have animal rights but simply don't carry them to the extremes that many Western societies do. Japan is an interesting case. They allow slaughter of Dolphins and Porpoises and eat Whale meat (which is also delcious), creatures which are almost sacrosanct in the West but have very heavy laws on the treatment of domestic animals and pets. Taiwan has similar laws but allows the eating of Dog, which are raised and slaughtered under some pretty strict rules.

Dogs and Cats are simply small mammals, nothing more. What emotional attachment you put on them is your affair. As long as their slaughter is humane, I don't have any problem with it. Several Aboriginal tribes consider Cat a delicacy, which is where I've eaten it. All I can say is animals for courses. Cheesy

Well good luck trying to convince Australians to eat cat and dog. They wouldn't have a bar of it. For Australians, it's an instinctive revulsion. For Asians, not at all. Therein lies a cultural difference between the two.

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Reply #49 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:53am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Well good luck trying to convince Australians to eat cat and dog. They wouldn't have a bar of it. For Australians, it's an instinctive revulsion. For Asians, not at all. Therein lies a cultural difference between the two.

Completely missed the point. I am not trying to convince Australians to eat cat or dog. As far as I'm concerned, anybody can though, as long as they guarantee humane slaughter. The reality is that already some Australians do eat cat or dog. Therefore, it is a part of Australian culture (and the oldest one at that!). So, your protests are rather feeble and misdirected. Cheesy

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #50 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:54am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:28am: http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/b/bingo/graphics-bingo-624050.gif Let the fool hang himself Greg. It was a rhetorical question...
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #52 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:00pm Going to answer my question, Sparky?
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Reply #53 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:53am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:42am:

Well good luck trying to convince Australians to eat cat and dog. They wouldn't have a bar of it. For Australians, it's an instinctive revulsion. For Asians, not at all. Therein lies a cultural difference between the two.

Completely missed the point. I am not trying to convince Australians to eat cat or dog. As far as I'm concerned, anybody can though, as long as they guarantee humane slaughter. The reality is that already some Australians do eat cat or dog. Therefore, it is a part of Australian culture (and the oldest one at that!). So, your protests are rather feeble and misdirected. Cheesy

If any event or phenomena that occurs here can be "a part of our culture", then the word culture is meaningless. It either means something specific or doesn't mean anything at all.

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #54 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:02pm \|dev\|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:00pm: Going to answer my question, Sparky? Did you ask a question?
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Reply #55 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 12:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:35am:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because people who aren't Asian will become second class citizens. Also there will probably be massive social disturbance as a result.

Will they? Will there?

You have a crystal ball?

Why should these events occur?

So all the Aussies are going to sit around why China takes over? Maybe you need a crystal ball.

I rather think that is the point. With Australians whom are of Asian descent making up a minority of the population, how are they going to "take over"? Moreover, why would China bother?

My question though, is what is the problem? If all Australians, no matter what their descent are Australians, doesn't that mean that Australia remains Australian?

Or are you talking about something like racism? Cheesy

The world is racist. If Asian people have the numbers in Australia things will change to suit them. Maybe Australia will go down the drain as a result.

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Reply #56 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:57pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

Are they? How? Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"?

Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)... Cheesy

I don't have to produce anything, there is no proof required to make such an observation. If you have lived in the world as a perceptive adult, the social divides between East and West are obvious. The logical flaw here is thinking that genes and memes are the same. Asians have had different values to Westerners; this is evident in a myriad of different facets of their society. If there was no difference, then Asians wouldn't bother coming here.

If you understand the world as a rational adult, you will realise that the only outcome from adding Asians to a Western society, will be a lowering of the standards of living for those Westerners already living there. That is because the only reason the Asians are coming here, is because their societies have lower social standards and they are conditioned to work as slave labour. They will be relatively better off in a Western economy, but at the same time they undermine it.

The fact that Asian behaviours can often be coupled with yellow skin and slanty eyes is just a convenient marker. There's no need to even go into the reasons why Asians act like Asians, it's just how they evolved in their environment with each other. To pretend that genetic stock doesn't have a relationship with its memes is pretty naive. Accepting that logical, rational fact isn't racism.

Racism is vilifying a particular group for the sake of irrational hatred. Making observations about other genetic material and its accompanying cultural values in relation to how interacting with it might affect your own, is just being realistic.

I just wonder what kind of vested interests would seek to confuse the two.

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Reply #57 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:05pm

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

Are they? How? Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"?

Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)... Cheesy

I don't have to produce anything, there is no proof required to make such an observation.

Mistaking observation for opinion? You're voicing an opinion, not an observation. So, why are you making this opinion known? Grin

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If you have lived in the world as a perceptive adult, the social divides between East and West are obvious.

Are they? I've lived in Asian countries. Never noticed much difference in how people think.

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The logical flaw here is thinking that genes and memes are the same. Asians have had different values to Westerners; this is evident in a myriad of different facets of their society. If there was no difference, then Asians wouldn't bother coming here.

Name those values! Oh, I've already asked that and you've refused, preferring opinion over facts. How unsurprising! Grin

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If you understand the world as a rational adult, you will realise that the only outcome from adding Asians to a Western society, will be a lowering of the standards of living for those Westerners already living there. That is because the only reason the Asians are coming here, is because their societies have lower social standards and they are conditioned to work as slave labour. They will be relatively better off in a Western economy, but at the same time they undermine it.

Wow! What a great rationalisation for your racism! Fool!

So, someone from Japan, emigrating to Australia would lower Australia's socio-economic standards, despite coming from a nation with a much higher ranking in the OECD than Australia? What about from Taiwan? Singapore? Hong Kong? South Korea?

The reality is that you are mistaking economics for social matters. Many Asians live in poverty without a doubt that is because of lack of opportunity, not because they are inherently somehow worse than any Australian. All you're doing is trying hide your racist views behind a silly rationalisation! Grin

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #58 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:15pm Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian.
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #59 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:20pm Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:15pm: Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian. And the problem with that is? Why don't you tell us why you are afraid of it? Put it out in the open, rather than continually dancing around it!
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