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Reply #60 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

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Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian.

And the problem with that is?Why didn't you ask earlier. Asians aren't my people. I'm an Aussie and they are my people. My family is, my culture is, most of my friends are, my history is. Except for the Vietnamese bloke next door ( who is a gem) I don't know any. Asians aren't the easiest people to get to know. You'll find that's how most humans are. You need to get out more.

Why don't you tell us why you are afraid of it? Put it out in the open, rather than continually dancing around it! Grin

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Reply #61 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sounds like some of you people want Australia to become Asian.

And the problem with that is?Why didn't you ask earlier. Asians aren't my people. I'm an Aussie and they are my people. My family is, my culture is, most of my friends are, my history is. Except for the Vietnamese bloke next door ( who is a gem) I don't know any. Asians aren't the easiest people to get to know. You'll find that's how most humans are. You need to get out more.

Why don't you tell us why you are afraid of it? Put it out in the open, rather than continually dancing around it! Grin

?Why didn't you ask earlier. Asians aren't my people. I'm an Aussie and they are my people. My family is, my culture is, most of my friends are, my history is. Except for the Vietnamese bloke next door ( who is a gem) I don't know any. Asians aren't the easiest people to get to know. You'll find that's how most humans are. You need to get out more.

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Reply #62 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:30pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

Winston Smith wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 11:52am:

Australia isn't growing more Asian. If the do-gooders let people smuggling run riot it would.

And becoming more Asian as a nation is a problem because?

Because Asian values are different to Western values. Do you want to debate that?

Are they? How? Would you care to demonstrate your claim in some way by providing a comparison between "Asian values" and "Western values"?

Of course, you'll have to first produce some sort of average set of values for the entire continent of Asia and the same for the entire "Western world" (defining that first, of course)... Cheesy

I don't have to produce anything, there is no proof required to make such an observation.

Mistaking observation for opinion? You're voicing an opinion, not an observation. So, why are you making this opinion known? Grin

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If you have lived in the world as a perceptive adult, the social divides between East and West are obvious.

Are they? I've lived in Asian countries. Never noticed much difference in how people think.

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The logical flaw here is thinking that genes and memes are the same. Asians have had different values to Westerners; this is evident in a myriad of different facets of their society. If there was no difference, then Asians wouldn't bother coming here.

Name those values! Oh, I've already asked that and you've refused, preferring opinion over facts. How unsurprising! Grin

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If you understand the world as a rational adult, you will realise that the only outcome from adding Asians to a Western society, will be a lowering of the standards of living for those Westerners already living there. That is because the only reason the Asians are coming here, is because their societies have lower social standards and they are conditioned to work as slave labour. They will be relatively better off in a Western economy, but at the same time they undermine it.

Wow! What a great rationalisation for your racism! Fool!

So, someone from Japan, emigrating to Australia would lower Australia's socio-economic standards, despite coming from a nation with a much higher ranking in the OECD than Australia? What about from Taiwan? Singapore? Hong Kong? South Korea?

The reality is that you are mistaking economics for social matters. Many Asians live in poverty without a doubt that is because of lack of opportunity, not because they are inherently somehow worse than any Australian. All you're doing is trying hide your racist views behind a silly rationalisation! Grin

The usual indicators used for comparison are social indicators of how people treat each other. The introduction of basic human rights, concepts such as the rule of law, justice being seen to be done, tackling corruption, equal rights for women, stopping exploitation of children, fair work laws, fighting nepotism etc. Alien concepts before contact with the West.

The West values those things, which is why the Asians want to go there. But they bring their behaviours to the West with them, slowly undermining it. It's just a sad fact of reality, there are differences in the outcomes that various groups achieved. Asians for the most part, at least in relatively recent history, have had lower social standards across the board.

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Reply #63 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

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Reply #64 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:48pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

That is actually racism, keep it about standards. Asians will tolerate bad conditions, they can be kept there almost perpetually. Westerners want quality of life. Western nations have engineered their societies around a set of values that promote fairness and quality of life for the individual. Why would the West want to erode what they have built for a temporary supply of cheap labour?

The only reason we live in this Orwellian PC society, where facts can be so blatantly vilified as "isms", is to protect the cheap labour interests of the corporations from the backlash of the populations of the host nation states. Run it into the ground, then pack up and go off to the next boom state. As long as we can keep the idiots distracted with semantics, it's business as usual. Roll Eyes

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Reply #67 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

1. Many Asian countries (and remember we are discussing a VAST continent) have quite draconian conservation laws. Look at the Chinese laws on the Panda for example! So, making a blanket statement like that is just pure racism.

2. Some Asian countries are over-populated, many aren't. Japan and China are both facing rapidly aging populations. India will be in the next few generations. Again, this is pure racism. The world is changing, the emphasis is less and less on large families right across Asia, with rising prosperity there is no need for them.

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Sparky Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1338 Gender:	Re: Australia Grows More "Asian" Reply #68 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:08pm: Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:06pm: I don't think that's racism. Well, it is. So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.
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Reply #69 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:18pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

I don't think that's racism.

Well, it is.

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

Here's what you said:

"This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything."

That's a text book example of racism.

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Reply #70 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:23pm

|dev|null wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything. Hot Breathe will undoubtedly say- but look what the English did to Australia. Well that is correct , but Australia has turned a corner in that respect. They also breed without any plan. Every one of their countries is over populated. Australia will fill up and turn into a 3rd world mess like most of Asia is.

1. Many Asian countries (and remember we are discussing a VAST continent) have quite draconian conservation laws. Look at the Chinese laws on the Panda for example! So, making a blanket statement like that is just pure racism.

2. Some Asian countries are over-populated, many aren't. Japan and China are both facing rapidly aging populations. India will be in the next few generations. Again, this is pure racism. The world is changing, the emphasis is less and less on large families right across Asia, with rising prosperity there is no need for them.

I'm just trying to think of an Asian country that isn't horribly over populated. Probably Singapore and Malaysia. Laos I agree. Mongolia yes. China, Japan, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Phillipines, Bangadesh, Pakistan. The subcontinent is amazing over populated as is southern and south east asia. Why are you all getting upset about fact?

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Reply #71 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:24pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

No, its wrong to say ALL Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers and say it in a manner that implies this is somehow wrong as you did when you claimed:
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They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything.

I note that you are now retreating from that bald statement and qualifying your views. Grin

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Reply #72 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

I don't think that's racism.

Well, it is.

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

Here's what you said:

"This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything."

That's a text book example of racism.

I'll take the the sub continent out of that. Eastern , southern and south east asia will eat anything that's edible.

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Reply #73 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:29pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

I don't think that's racism.

Well, it is.

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

Here's what you said:

"This is a problem I have with Asians. They have total disrespect for nature. They'll eat everything."

That's a text book example of racism.

I'll take the the sub continent out of that. Eastern , southern and south east asia will eat anything that's edible.

Still racism.

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Reply #74 - Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:08pm:

Sparky wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

I don't think that's racism.

Well, it is.

So it's wrong to say many Asian countries eat most of what their nature offers. You people can't handle facts when they get in the way of your PC sensibilities.

What you meant is that one would think that after a period of time spent subsisting on low quality food, that people would seek out more nourishing and palatable fare. One would think that the human suffering of perpetual poverty on such a vast scale would bring about some humane or rational response to mitigate that misery. One would then have to question the quality of the individuals produced by such a morass and the inherent risks in exposing ourselves to them on a large scale.

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