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Reply #45 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 12:40pm
 
the judge is calling for whistleblowers in the public service to come forward.. and tell what they know in secret  behind locked doors.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes No Media..

the public service is one huge cauldron of dobbing in..this should be interesting to see what  reaction he gets..
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Reply #46 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:51pm
 
You know what could have avoided the deaths of a couple of the young men, turning off the smacking power before going into a roof cavity, a roof cavity that you were putting nails into areas you cant see!!

Safety switches save lives, and stop fires.  Why is it so hard for people to think a little?
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Reply #47 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
they didn't get electrocuted because they were using nails, in fact, you don't use nails when installing insullation in an attic ...

they got electrocuted because they were using sheet foil insullation (which is designed to go between the roof trusses and colorbond sheeting, not into attic spaces) and laying it across the top of the lights poking up throught the ceiling. Since the insullation is coated in foil, it created a cicuit. Anyone touching it is toast.
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Reply #48 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 2:14pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:59pm:
they didn't get electrocuted because they were using nails, in fact, you don't use nails when installing insullation in an attic ...

they got electrocuted because they were using sheet foil insullation (which is designed to go between the roof trusses and colorbond sheeting, not into attic spaces) and laying it across the top of the lights poking up throught the ceiling. Since the insullation is coated in foil, it created a cicuit. Anyone touching it is toast.


It was my understanding he made the whole area live by putting a stable through the foil to hold it in place and struck an electrical wire.
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Reply #49 - Dec 24th, 2013 at 2:17pm
 
Verge wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 2:14pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 24th, 2013 at 1:59pm:
they didn't get electrocuted because they were using nails, in fact, you don't use nails when installing insullation in an attic ...

they got electrocuted because they were using sheet foil insullation (which is designed to go between the roof trusses and colorbond sheeting, not into attic spaces) and laying it across the top of the lights poking up throught the ceiling. Since the insullation is coated in foil, it created a cicuit. Anyone touching it is toast.


It was my understanding he made the whole area live by putting a stable through the foil to hold it in place and struck an electrical wire.


he may have done, but only because he was using the wrong insullation. FOIL is not supposed to be used in attic spaces. If the job were done properly, they would have used batts and simply pushed them into the cavities between the joists ... no staples or nails needed to hold anything in place a gravity keeps it there.
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Reply #50 - Dec 25th, 2013 at 5:29pm
 
Focus of Home Insulation Royal Commission must be to increase safety for workers: Unions
23 December, 2013 | Media Release The ACTU is urging the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program to focus on what can be done to increase safety for workers.

ACTU Assistant Secretary Michael Borowick said the Royal Commission presented an opportunity to toughen workplace safety laws to help reduce the number of unnecessary injuries and fatalities in the workplace.

“The sole focus of this Royal Commission must be to improve safety for Australian workers,” Mr Borowick said.

“The community has no appetite for a costly political witch hunt at the expense of constructive outcomes on safety for workers.

“The ACTU calls on the Royal Commission to recommend the introduction of Industrial Manslaughter legislation, tougher penalties for employers that breach existing legislation and increased resources for regulators.

“Industrial Manslaughter laws have the potential to change community attitudes around criminally reckless negligence at work and ultimately reduce workplace deaths.

“There must also be tougher penalties for employers that breach legislation and put the safety of their workforce at risk.

“This must also be accompanied by an increase in resources for regulators to undertake their role in ensuring stringent safety standards are met.

“Every Australian should be able to go to work in the knowledge that they’ll return home safely that night.

“This Royal Commission presents an opportunity for meaningful reform in a critical area and this opportunity must not be wasted.”
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Reply #51 - Dec 25th, 2013 at 5:35pm
 
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Focus of Home Insulation Royal Commission must be to increase safety for workers: Unions
23 December, 2013 | Media Release The ACTU is urging the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program to focus on what can be done to increase safety for workers.

ACTU Assistant Secretary Michael Borowick said the Royal Commission presented an opportunity to toughen workplace safety laws to help reduce the number of unnecessary injuries and fatalities in the workplace.

“The sole focus of this Royal Commission must be to improve safety for Australian workers,” Mr Borowick said.

“The community has no appetite for a costly political witch hunt at the expense of constructive outcomes on safety for workers.

“The ACTU calls on the Royal Commission to recommend the introduction of Industrial Manslaughter legislation, tougher penalties for employers that breach existing legislation and increased resources for regulators.

“Industrial Manslaughter laws have the potential to change community attitudes around criminally reckless negligence at work and ultimately reduce workplace deaths.

“There must also be tougher penalties for employers that breach legislation and put the safety of their workforce at risk.

“This must also be accompanied by an increase in resources for regulators to undertake their role in ensuring stringent safety standards are met.

“Every Australian should be able to go to work in the knowledge that they’ll return home safely that night.

“This Royal Commission presents an opportunity for meaningful reform in a critical area and this opportunity must not be wasted.”



Yeas, good point.  Rudd/Swan said "Here is some money we reckon will help keep us protected from the GFC.  Spend it wisely..............and safely."
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Reply #52 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am
 
The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.
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Reply #53 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am:
The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.





so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,
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Reply #54 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:29am
 
TIM PALMER: An inquest into the deaths of three people killed during the Rudd government's controversial pink batts scheme has been told that to guarantee safety an installation company would have had to give up on making a profit.

The three who died - the youngest of them 16, the oldest 25 - were using metal staples to lay electrically conductive insulation in 2009 and 2010 when the practice had already been banned in New Zealand.

One of the companies involved told the inquest it wasn't made compulsory to turn off power to residences, because it would have been too costly.

And a State Government electrical safety manager acknowledged his department knew the risks of metal staples but didn't issue a warning until after the first death.

Annie Guest reports from the Brisbane coroner's court.

ANNIE GUEST: The so-called pink batts scheme was one of the Rudd government's economic stimulus measures during the global financial crisis. But it went badly wrong when four people died installing the roof insulation.

One New South Wales death was caused by heat exhaustion, and three Queenslanders were electrocuted in 2009 and 2010. The workers were aged 16, 22 and 25 when they died laying electrically conductive foil insulation in roofs.

A coronial inquest in Brisbane is examining why it wasn't mandatory to turn off the power. Why metal staples were allowed to be used when they had already been banned in New Zealand, training and supervision standards and Federal and State Government responses.

Today, three family members associated with one of the installation company, QHI gave evidence about the death of employee Matthew Fuller. The inquest heard they'd seen an opportunity to obtain work through the Government scheme.

Ben McKay was a trained electrician and 19 years old when he was the director of QHI. He took on the role because his father was banned from holding such a position because of unrelated proceedings under bankruptcy law.

Ben McKay said it was his role to ensure on-the-job safety for the unqualified insulation installers. One of the greatest dangers was the risk of putting a metal staple through a live cable.

Under questioning from counsel for Matthew Fuller's family, Ben McKay acknowledged it was possible to make installation 100 per cent safe by disconnecting power from the mains source. However, he agreed the reason this wasn't routinely done was because the work involved would have made it impossible to make a profit.

Ben McKay acknowledged he had been aware of up to four instances where staples had been put through cables before Mr Fuller's death. Those incidents hadn't resulted in deaths.

Matthew Fuller had less than two weeks' training. The inquest has heard training was either provided by QHI or a representative from the company QHI contracted to, called Vision and Network.

Vision was a telemarketing company that branched out to take part in the so-called pink batts scheme, and did so by subcontracting QHI to do the work. Yesterday, a Vision representative said the installation trainers' course was impossible to fail because the trainer provided participants with the answers.

Also today, the inquest heard from the Queensland Government's then regional manager of electrical safety compliance, Michael Gibson. He acknowledged he'd held concerns three months before Mr Fuller's death and had spoken to his manager.

He was grilled by counsel for Mr Fuller's family, Richard Berry SC, about why it took a death for a warning to be issued to the industry. Mr Gibson said steps were being taken to respond to problems. He couldn't say what if any communication had taken place with Commonwealth officials. He also said some old homes don't have safety switches, and it's not mandatory to fit them retrospectively in Queensland.

Family and friends watched on intently sometimes sighing as they looked across two bar tables of lawyers to the witness chair.

The inquest continues.

TIM PALMER: Annie Guest reporting.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3754863.htm
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Reply #55 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:38am
 
cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am:
The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.





so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,



What utter crap!!

That's PRECISELY what it is, and you bloody-well know it.

The only spitefulness being exhibited here is coming from the Right.
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Reply #56 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:53am
 
cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am:
The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.





so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,


What do they deserve?
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Reply #57 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:25am
 
cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am:
The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.





so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,


It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful  to the families.
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Reply #58 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:29am
 
cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am:
it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well


rubbish ... whats cruel to the families is continually dragging this back into the limelight ... let them move on. There have been more than enough enquiries, all with pretty much the same conclusion. 

Tony just wants something that he thinks will be bad for labor on the front page so that he's not on it. Typical distraction tactics, and idiots like you fall for it.
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Reply #59 - Dec 26th, 2013 at 8:32am
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 7:53am:
cods wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 6:07am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2013 at 5:28am:
The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.





so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,


What do they deserve?


Justice

These people signed up to instal Pink Batts - not Iraq

BTW - how many Australians died in the Iraq war?

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