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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #90 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25pm

And AGAIN...

"There has ALREADY been more than one enquiry, INCLUDING a Coroner's enquiry.

None have given you the answer you want to hear, so you keep changing referees
in the hope one will eventually deliver what you want them to say.

It is the Coalition who's in the wrong here, not Labor or the Left.

Move on."

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Reply #91 - Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:34pm

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING????? Angry

nice way to treat grieving families. Angry

..but then bitterness does that to some people..

4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt.

just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak. Cry

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your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that...

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING

No

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Reply #92 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:17am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 8:25am:

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 6:07am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 5:28am:

The righto's should be disappointed that the idiots they support have initiated a needless and useless expensive political witch hunt.

It seems that the Libs can not get past their opposition mentality and move into government mode. Probably part of the reason they have been clearly the worst new government in Australian history.

so did you have a nice Chrissy dna?? I do hope so.. though looks like you may have had a bit of indigestion..sorry.. but its till coming though loud a clear..

it isnt a witch hunt and thats cruel to those families who have asked for this. it isnt just about the Fed Govt its about the States as well..if your son was knocked down and killed by a motorist at least the driver would b e in court and charged with something.,..

these people have nothing..

I think its very offensive to those families to call it a witch hunt out of spitefulness..they dont deserve that,

It is the government using this as a political toy which is disrespectful and hurtful to the families.

THEY HAVE ASKED FOR IT.. DNA EXPLAIN THAT?

hey dna you may have missed this one????

And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

just answer the question..

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #93 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:49am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING????? Angry

nice way to treat grieving families. Angry

..but then bitterness does that to some people..

4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt.

just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak. Cry

..

your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that...

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING

No

REALLY.. not how it looks..... you are basically saying

IF THEY DONT GET THE ANSWERS THEY WANT..????

THEN THEY WILL PERSUADE THE LIBS TO KEEP THEIR MISERY GOING....

BY DOING WHAT??????...... HAVING A WITCH HUNT?..

goodness me the lengths the left will go to avoid anything being landed at their messiahs feet...

even to accusing these families of manipulating.... Angry

bloody disgusting.

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #95 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 10:34pm:

cods wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

And when they don't get the result they want the Libs will get them to ask again and again, why not keep their misery going indefinatly.

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING?????

nice way to treat grieving families...but then bitterness does that to some people..

4 young men dead... lets ignore it... they dont mean anything to lefties thats for sure what do we care..pfffftttt.

just make sure rudd and gillard are safe as houses.... so to speak.

your idols will have feet of clay make no mistake about that...

SO YOU ARE SAYING ITS THE FAMILIES THAT ARE DOING THE WITCH HUNTING

No

REALLY.. not how it looks..... you are basically saying

IF THEY DONT GET THE ANSWERS THEY WANT..????

THEN THEY WILL PERSUADE THE LIBS TO KEEP THEIR MISERY GOING....

BY DOING WHAT??????...... HAVING A WITCH HUNT?..

goodness me the lengths the left will go to avoid anything being landed at their messiahs feet...

even to accusing these families of manipulating....
bloody disgusting.

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #97 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT..

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14 November 2013

Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program.

MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP).

“The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said.

“The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings.

“It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.”

Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home.

“Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said.

you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty...

has it occurred to you that that may be the case???

he may come through this squeaky clean...

or are you more afraid it will be the reverse?

you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them......

so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL..

if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... Roll Eyes

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #98 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:32pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 26^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

Cods, exactly what is this 'justice' you refer to. Put some body to that notion. What is the practical, tangible thing you call 'justice' in this case?

cods?

cods?

And here is some more you can munch on.

Click here.

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So, nearly 12 months on, what did the program deliver? Surprisingly, it appears to have made insulation installation safer (thank you to blogsite Pollytics.com for detailing this and examples of misreporting).

The Australian Bureau of Statistics reports that 61 per cent of dwellings, almost 3.2 million, had insulation in 2008, with 98 per cent of these having roof or ceiling insulation.

Officials in Garrett's department told a Senate committee hearing that the pre-program rate of installations was 65,000 to 70,000 a year, with 80 to 85 insulation-related fires a year. Roughly 30 per cent were linked to new installations, on industry estimates. The program insulated more than 1.1 million homes. If 94 fires have been linked to this, the implication is that the fire risk was roughly four times lower than before, even as the number of installations rose 15-fold.

As for the four deaths of installers, one of them through heat exhaustion and another using foil insulation that Garrett had barred from the program months earlier, they are subject to coronial inquiries. The fact is, however, that the program introduced the first national training program for installers. Remember, this is a field in which foolhardy householders have a long DIY tradition and the insulation industry had been largely unregulated. Where was the concern about safety then?

If the program has proved anything, it is that Australia abounds with shonky businesses, ''she'll be right'' tradesmen, hypocritical politicians who habitually sacrifice workplace safety on the altar of business-friendly policy, and careless, pack-hunting journalists. That, I'm afraid, is not much of a revelation at all.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38804 Gender:	Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings Reply #99 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:37pm It is not a witch hunt, I tells ya!
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74853 Gender:	Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings Reply #100 - Dec 27^th, 2013 at 5:30pm Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:37pm: It is not a witch hunt, I tells ya! https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1513228_230329680473518_1... It's not a witch hunt, it's simply the case that the other 2592 families don't matter.
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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #101 - Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT..

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14 November 2013

Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program.

MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP).

“The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said.

“The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings.

“It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.”

Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home.

“Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said.

you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty...

has it occurred to you that that may be the case???

he may come through this squeaky clean...

or are you more afraid it will be the reverse?

you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them......

so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL..

if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... Roll Eyes

Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result.

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #102 - Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:55am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT..

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14 November 2013

Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program.

MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP).

“The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said.

“The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings.

“It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.”

Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home.

“Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said.

you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty...

has it occurred to you that that may be the case???

he may come through this squeaky clean...

or are you more afraid it will be the reverse?

you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them......

so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL..

if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... Roll Eyes

Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ.

Geeze the faggots to burn the infidels are getting expensive! Oh well, it's obviously money well spent... The aroma will be sweet unto the Lord.

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #103 - Dec 28^th, 2013 at 10:08am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT..

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Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed
14 November 2013

Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program.

MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP).

“The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said.

“The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings.

“It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.”

Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home.

“Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said.

you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty...

has it occurred to you that that may be the case???

he may come through this squeaky clean...

or are you more afraid it will be the reverse?

you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them......

so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL..

if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... Roll Eyes

Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result.

I will have a wee wager with you dna... IT WONT BE THE SAME RESULT...

are you up for it???

as far as I remember the coroner did find the govt had some responsibility.. not sure think he said something about RUSHED... Roll Eyes

so lets assume this inquiry finds it was RUSHED....then maybe someone will ask WHY/WHO was responsible for the RUSH...

and then maybe they will actually NAME those responsible for the RUSH..

the way I see it..it didnt just happen...it didnt start or end all by itself..... somewhere a human was in charge of this whole operation... Roll Eyes

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that person need to be accountable... maybe it was Peter Garrett maybe he had the switch that started and stopped the whole thing.........lets find out....

if someone burnt down Parliament House and 4 people died because of it...

they would go on and on and on until they named the person that started the fire...

they would not settle for ok.. someone started it by setting fire to that curtain... thats it thats the end it doesnt matter who did it...move on shows over... Shocked

if it was your loved one that died I am sure you would want to know who was behind it..and I know for sure I would.. and I doubt we woulld give a stuff about what it costs and neither we should anymore than these good people should..

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Re: Labor fears Pink Batts inquiry findings
Reply #104 - Dec 28^th, 2013 at 11:16am

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 10:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Comprehension Cods - comprehension - why do conservatives have so much trouble with basic comprehension?

By the way you do remember that the Grubs promised an enquiry before the election - the families are only holding them to the promise ???

OF COURSE...they havent said a word have they?.. but you wont believe it anyway it will all be a WITCH HUNT..

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Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email Master Electricians Australia RSS Feed
14 November 2013

Master Electricians Australia (MEA) has today welcomed the Coalition’s launch of the $25m Royal Commission into the Rudd Government’s controversial pink batts program.

MEA chief executive Malcolm Richards said he was pleased to see Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Coalition government had kept their pre-election promise to establish a full judicial inquiry into the former Federal Government’s bungled Home Insulation Program (HIP).

“The scheme was rolled out hastily without proper planning around safety, or proper consultation with industry,” Mr Richards said.

“The Queensland Coroner’s report released earlier this year found warnings to the Rudd Government raising urgent safety concerns by industry had been ignored and I expect the Royal Commission will have similar findings.

“It’s essential a disaster like this is never repeated which is why we welcome this Royal Commission and are urging the inquest to not only look into what advice and warnings were potentially ignored but to also urgently examine the issue of safety switches.”

Mr Richards said Master Electricians Australia recommended regulations were put in place to make safety switches compulsory on every circuit of every home.

“Tragic incidents like the deaths under the HIP could have easily been avoided had safety switches been installed on every circuit in those homes,” he said.

you are so hell bent on krudd not being guilty...

has it occurred to you that that may be the case???

he may come through this squeaky clean...

or are you more afraid it will be the reverse?

you guys from the left are hell bent on calling this a witch hunt it isnt even funny..... you have now sunk to low of using words like Grubs.. because the families dont give a damn about their sons...really its all about the Libs manipulating them into them thinking this is all about them......

so no point in even discussing anything with you... maybe yoiu would like to take it up with MEA.. who seem to think its a bloody good idea to have a ROYAL..

if you are so adamant the govt did not do a thing wrong... I would have thought this would prove it once and for all... Roll Eyes

Yep just throw another $25 Million on the BBQ and roll out the same old result.

I will have a wee wager with you dna... IT WONT BE THE SAME RESULT...

are you up for it???

as far as I remember the coroner did find the govt had some responsibility.. not sure think he said something about RUSHED... Roll Eyes

so lets assume this inquiry finds it was RUSHED....then maybe someone will ask WHY/WHO was responsible for the RUSH...

and then maybe they will actually NAME those responsible for the RUSH..

the way I see it..it didnt just happen...it didnt start or end all by itself..... somewhere a human was in charge of this whole operation... Roll Eyes

....

that person need to be accountable... maybe it was Peter Garrett maybe he had the switch that started and stopped the whole thing.........lets find out....

if someone burnt down Parliament House and 4 people died because of it...

they would go on and on and on until they named the person that started the fire...

they would not settle for ok.. someone started it by setting fire to that curtain... thats it thats the end it doesnt matter who did it...move on shows over... Shocked

if it was your loved one that died I am sure you would want to know who was behind it..and I know for sure I would.. and I doubt we woulld give a stuff about what it costs and neither we should anymore than these good people should..

So what cods is saying is she is not happy with the findings to date from so many inquiries already held and she wants a witch hunt until someone from labor is held responsible. Never mind the evidence presented to her she will continue to ignore that evidence until she gets the outcome She wants.

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