Try to keep up Grendel, we aren't talking about ethnic violence which I am fully aware exists and have personally experienced. The subject is the attitudes of Muslims towards sharia law.
While you are at it you can detail your first hand knowledge of what occurs in these countries.

I find these Pew survey results at odds with my personal experience and find it strange that all these "surveys" show such extreme views.

Like Gandalf I travel to Malaysia and Indonesia  frequently and have been doing so for decades. I have also spent some time in arguably the most fundamentalist part of Indonesia, Aceh. I have not witnessed or heard of any stonings or beheadings, neither have I ever heard anyone express an opinion promoting such extremism. However, I have on occasion witnessed some rough village justice not resulting in death, this seems to be at the heart of Sharia law. the ability of the local community to use local customary law to decide the fate of the transgressors involved .Personally I thnk this system works very well for the villagers and can not see why this should be a concern for us in Australia or any other country. Their local (Sharia) law is their law. In a remote provinvce where Muslims and Christians live side by side I once even intervened when a (Muslim) local was about to be macheted to death for being an alleged peeping tom, (both parties were known to me) the one administering the justice was a Christian. I find these Pew survey results at odds with my personal experience and find it strange that all these "surveys" show such extreme views.

BTW FD, apparently about 2 million Indos a year are converting to Christianity, I don't think any of these people have had their heads chopped off

Try to keep up Grendel, we aren't talking about ethnic violence which I am fully aware exists and have personally experienced. The subject is the attitudes of Muslims towards sharia law.

I suspect because the responders are completely detached from their own personal reality when answering such questions.

Yes, I agree,  also suspect these surveys offer  "loaded" questions. I wouldn't mind seeing the format and context of the questions.

let me also make the point that Indonesia already effectively allows customary or Sharia law to prevail over state law. But not just for Muslims, most ethnic groups are allowed to use customary or local law ahead of state law.

ian wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2013 at 12:45pm:

I find it naive in the extreme that you'd think your personal experience would trump the survey of hundreds in not thousands.
As if villigers would regale you with their views on sharia without you directly asking them.
I mean - how naive are you?

Have you ever asked a Muslim whether they support stoning people to death for adultery or the death penalty for apostasy?

The survey was not counting the number of people who have had their heads chopped off, but the number of people who support the practice.

So you don't actually know anything at all about the survey, you are just making poo up?

let me also make the point that Indonesia already effectively allows customary or Sharia law to prevail over state law. But not just for Muslims, most ethnic groups are allowed to use customary or local law ahead of state law.

Ian, have you ever asked a Muslim their opinion on these matters? You do realise that it was a survey of Muslims' opinions (not actions) don't you?

So lets make a deal Ian...  you'll shut up unless you have something to tell me I don't already know.

.....sharia law is already in practise in Indonesia and

there is not 1 case that I am aware of where someone has been executed

for apostasy or stoned to death for adulter

despite 2 million converts to Christianity a year.

are you aware of any cases?