wally1 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 8:35pm:


Do you mean Abraham?

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:39pm:


I think he might have meant Abraham, from Wikipedia

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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:52pm:



That Allah got it so, so wrong, about Mohammed's character, for a start ?


"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
Koran 33.21



"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


Then there are all of those excellent Arab women, that [married] Mohammed and his [married] companions committed adultery with.

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 10:08pm:


Tragically, much worse than absurd. First, Islam cannot be reasonably recognized as a religion, as much as an anti-religion, and cult that follows Muhammad alone.
youtube.com/watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE

Islam is not just some other religion, like Hinduism or Buddhism, but Islam is to the Gospel as the negative is to a photograph. Muhammad's followers must reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as an article of their faith in Muhammad alone, because Muhammad fills them with complete resolve specifically to DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ.
falseprophetmuhammad.com

Hundreds of verses in the Gospel cite God the Father, and His Son, through which He manifest Himself to the world. The false prophet Muhammad's followers DENY and blaspheme the Son of God, as another article of their faith in Muhammad alone.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Yet five centuries after the scriptures were complete, far beyond simple denial of the Son of God, Muhammad even engaged in unvarnished blasphemy against Him:

Quran Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Thus Muhammad's followers are specifically ANTICHRIST, according to the source that introduces and defines the term:

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

Muhammad's followers are sooooo antichrist, they are taught that for them to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name (as Christians have for nearly 2,000 years) is to commit the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE sin in Muhammad's STAND-ALONE anti-religion. A sin worse than, for example, cold-blooded mass murder or child rape, which may be forgiven.
ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388407613

No surprise then, that since Muhammad's followers follow the father of lies and are thus unable to defend what they believe, they are instead commanded to conquer and subjugate all non-Muslims to themselves.

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle....
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

To subjugate the whole world to eventually DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ, and thus REJECT the sin atoning blood He shed for us all, and DENY the Son of God, as articles of faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.

Faith in a scripture-contrary, counter-religion with a pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD.

A counter-YHWH anti-religion of the "children of the flesh" with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.
brotherpete.com/children_flesh.htm
Even compelled to perform adopted, adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
brotherpete.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah

With one third of mankind in the world today believing that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected from the dead, as revealed through the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of revelation of the one true God to mankind, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years......

.....and a directly opposing one quarter of mankind in the anti-religion of Islam required to DISbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, and thus REJECT the sin-atoning shed blood of the Messiah, and to DENY the Son of God - as articles of their faith in Muhammad alone. Commanded to conquer and subjugate everyone to doing the same.

You would think that the stunning spiritual nature of this conflict, should be enough, to get the attention of even a staunch atheist.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/muhammad_islam_in_bible_prophecy.htm

Let alone all the other information we have access to.
islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 11:44pm:



I understand that, but adam first build parts of the kabba in mecca, but was later destroyed in a storm.

Many tribes and nations did reconstruct the kabaa but the most emphasis in islam and Christianity is the reconstruction by Abraham.

The remains of kabaa was there long before Abraham.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


Again the reading and comprehension. I often bold or enlarge to emphasize parts of sentences to help, but unfortunately didn't in this case.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


Nowhere are Jews required to deny that Jesus is their Messiah, through their scriptures, or as an article of their faith. The New Testament puts it like this:

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

The New Testament indicates that some Jews may be blinded by God Himself, so they can't sin against the Gospel.
israelinbibleprophecy.com/spirit_of_slumber.htm

Let alone that though Jews may not recognize Jesus as their Messiah, they nonetheless anticipate the coming of their promised Son:

Isaiah 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

They may be sovereignly blinded to the fulfillment:

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Confirmed as fulfilled in Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Now perhaps you believe Isaac Newton to be a dummy because he believed in the God of the Jews and Christians, but here's how he put it, while he was also writing about anticipating the restoration of Jews to Israel, hundreds of years before that restoration ever began:

“Hence I observe these things, first that the restauration of the Jewish nation so much spoken of by the old Prophets respects not the few Jews who were converted in the Apostles days, but the dispersed nation of the unbelieving Jews to be converted in the end when the fullness of the Gentiles shall enter, that is when the Gospel (upon the fall of Babylon) shall begin to be preached to all nations. Secondly that the prophecies of Isaiah described above by being here cited by the Apostle is limited to respect the time of the future conversion and restitution of the Jewish Nation, and thirdly that the humour which has long reigned among the Christians of boasting our selves against the Jews, and insulting over them for their not believing, is reprehended by the Apostle for high –mindedness and self-conceipt, and much more is our using them despightfully, Pharisaicall and impious”
zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

He was railing against Roman Church style punitive supersessionism:
christianeschatology.com/supersessionism_replacement_theology.htm

You even have the benefit of being able to see the stunning miracle of the fulfillment of Jews being restored to their land in hindsight - after 1200 years of Islam rendered Israel a desolate, desertified, denuded, depopulated, wasteland by the beginning of the 19th century, with Jews rebuilding it to become one of the world's most technologically innovative and leading economies, and that tiny little strip of land becoming a geopolitical focus of the world - yet you still reject the God of the scriptures of Jews and Christians.
zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_prophecy.htm

I wouldn't even be surprised if you were anti-Zionism.

Now unlike Judaism, the ANTI-religion of Islam is specifically antichrist, AS AN ARTICLE OF THEIR FAITH in Muhammad alone.

Quran Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Even commanded to fight and subjugate Christians to DISbelieving what they DISbelieve.

Quran Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.....

Of course it would be pure blasphemy for a Christian to make that confession since Muhammad DISbelieved the crucifixion of Christ and thus REJECTED His shed blood - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - and DENIED and blasphemed the Son of God.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


Perhaps you meant not solely regarding the worship of Jesus, since there is no question it is specifically:

"The sin of shirk is to associate partners with Allah, basically this means to set up idols and false deities alongside Allah, granting them equal status to Allah, and to give them actions which are only reserved for God alone, such as worshipping them, making oaths to them, having fear and hope in them, and to sacrifice things in their name. All of this constitutes shirk, an example is the case of Jesus, those who set him up as a God, and invoke on him and pray to him are guilty of shirk, they are guilty of setting up a partner to the true God Allah."
islamandthetruth.com/shirk_unforgivable_sin.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 1^st, 1970 at 1:51pm:


It is Satan who puts the lie on your lips that attempts to convert a conversation about religion, as if it were about persons.

One of the most conspicuously regenerate people I know is Roman Catholic. Though even can see the error in much of the doctrine, he remains in bondage to the Roman Church. Not unusual for Catholics.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


That's because there is no other network on earth, that is as vast as that of Christianity.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


More false witness. Though not a surprise since you are unable to understand that Christianity isn't as much of a religion, as it is a relationship, through the spirit.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


I didn't say about 1/3 of mankind were Christians. Again, reading and comprehension deficit. And a vast quantity of those that claim to be are not Christian, but have only deceived themselves into believing they are Christian, as you had yourself.
Let alone that there are a large number of people, that believe that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected from the grave, but understand themselves to be unrepentant and would thus be honest enough to not characterize themselves to be Christian when asked, that are not counted in the number. Perhaps my number has become a little stale, both through prophesied apostasy in the "church", and a general increase in Godlessness.

"As of the early 21st century, Christianity has around 2.3 billion adherents, out of about 7 billion people.[1][2][3][4]"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country

So let's do the math: 2.3 X 3 = 6.9

Now even though I generally qualify with the word "about", I've no doubt that you will once again continue to argue the number - just like a holocaust denier - rather than recognizing THE FACT that ABOUT 1/3 of the world believes Jesus was crucified, died and was resurrected from the grave, while an EXACTLY OPPOSING 1/4 of mankind must DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ, as AS AN ARTICLE OF THEIR FAITH in Muhammad alone.
falseprophetmuhammad.com

One quarter of mankind that is specifically commanded to conquer and subjugate all, to DISbelieving the crucifixion of Christ as they do, and DENY the Son of God.
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Stratos wrote on Jan 4^th, 2014 at 8:38am:


I was referring to the 1/3 of mankind that believe Christ was resurrected from the dead. Period. 100% of Catholics do.
Little doubt the amount is far greater than 1/3 of mankind when we take into account the number that believe it, but know they are not Christian, because they remain unrepentant.
But very revealing for everyone to see, that it is in fact it is you that is denigrating Catholics, even after having accused me of it.

Stratos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 10:19am:


What other religion has "messengers" and/or scriptures that require adherents specifically to DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ and thus His shed blood - the whole subject of the Gospel - and specifically to DENY the Son of God, AS ARTICLES OF FAITH?
falseprophetmuhammad.com

Making Islam a specifically ANTI-religion cult, that follows Muhammad alone.
youtube.com/watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE

I wonder how many other religions even command adherents to conquer and subjugate all people to their religion?
falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm