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Reply #135 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

Jews today [some, many?] don't believe in God.

Its an opinion. Grin

I think they subscribe to the ritual of being Jewish without the need to be 'god'-like and therefore much less burdened by frank belief than Christians who are burdened with striving to be Christ-like (an impossible feat when Christ is in effect a mythical god).

Not really.

The same God.

Convoluted and unnecessary theology where being burdened with being Christ-like is concerned. It's a much more powerful call to goodness (being Christ-like) with Jesus divorced from his own divinity.

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Reply #136 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:47pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

How many of these do you believe in?

angels, - YES!
devils, - YES! demons
Satan, - YES!
witches, ????? - i could be classed as a witch - but i don't call spirits, i worship God, and i seek him
goblins - more demons
leprechauns - more demon entities
elfs - more demons
miracles. - what is a miracle, except something an 'occurrence' we cannot explain - you want to witness a 'miracle' ? birth of a new child - watch the sun rise - embrace someone who you deeply love
ghosts, - YES! [there was a ghost, an entity, in this [my] house, when i first came here]
heaven - YES!
hell - ??? - i believe that there will be an uncomfortable place of confinement for those who do not please God
holy cracker biscuits that are Christ's body - it is a psychic aid, for those who need its 'power'
holy wine that is his blood - it is a psychic aid, for those who need its 'power'
resurrections - YES!

You are forgiven

namaste

forgiven for being a brainwashed superstitious fool.

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Reply #137 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

Jews today [some, many?] don't believe in God.

Its an opinion. Grin

I think they subscribe to the ritual of being Jewish without the need to be 'god'-like and therefore much less burdened by frank belief than Christians who are burdened with striving to be Christ-like (an impossible feat when Christ is in effect a mythical god).

Not really.

The same God.

Convoluted and unnecessary theology where being burdened with being Christ-like is concerned. It's a much more powerful call to goodness (being Christ-like) with Jesus divorced from his own divinity.

If the Jesus of scripture is real.

Then he was a perfect man [that is, a perfectly good man], who came to live among imperfect men.

And he was a perfect man, that was murdered/killed by the imperfect men he came to live among.

Poignant, when we meditate about what the actions of those men, says about all of us.

Deeply flawed.

"....Christians who are burdened with striving to be Christ-like (an impossible feat...."

God, our creator declares, that he can heal us.

But, do we want to be, 'Christ-like' ?

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God has said, [that in our walk] we do not have to [successfully] be 'Christ-like'.

We only have to demonstrate to him, that we want to be 'Christ-like'.

Most of us are content, to be like those who murdered God.

???

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Reply #138 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:59pm

Dear Yadda,
This is the ultimate result of your superstition:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1676.cfm

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THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL.

The Roman Catholic Inquisition was one of the greatest disasters ever to befall mankind. In the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain. Heretics is defined whichever way Rome wanted it defined; it ranged from people who disagreed with official policy, to Hermetic Philosophers [Black Magick Practitioners], to Jews, to Witches, and to the Protestant reformers.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #139 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

If the Jesus of scripture is real.

Then he was a perfect man [that is, a perfectly good man], who came to live among imperfect men.

And he was a perfect man, that was murdered/killed by the imperfect men he came to live among.

Poignant, when we meditate about what the actions of those men, says about all of us.

Deeply flawed.

Divorced from divinity (and miracles), Jesus doesn't need to be so perfect.

A Jesus theology which does not include divinity (which, remember, was conferred on him by the Council of Nicea), could even be adopted by secularists, given that there are no records of his sexual (or otherwise) peccadillos that plagued Gandhi, MLK and even Mandela - Modern day Christ-like figures whose 'perfection' grows more 'true' year by year.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #140 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Dear Yadda,
This is the ultimate result of your superstition:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1676.cfm

Quote:

THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL.

The Roman Catholic Inquisition was one of the greatest disasters ever to befall mankind. In the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain. Heretics is defined whichever way Rome wanted it defined; it ranged from people who disagreed with official policy, to Hermetic Philosophers [Black Magick Practitioners], to Jews, to Witches, and to the Protestant reformers.

Protestants of that era weren't any better. Martin Luther led the way with his Jew-hate.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #141 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Dear Yadda,
This is the ultimate result of your superstition:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1676.cfm

Quote:

THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL.

The Roman Catholic Inquisition was one of the greatest disasters ever to befall mankind. In the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain. Heretics is defined whichever way Rome wanted it defined; it ranged from people who disagreed with official policy, to Hermetic Philosophers [Black Magick Practitioners], to Jews, to Witches, and to the Protestant reformers.

Protestants of that era weren't any better. Martin Luther led the way with his Jew-hate.

True - the whole of Europe was full of crazy religious nutcases.

Unfortunately there seems to be a revival of them.

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Reply #142 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

Religion will always be with us, no matter how dictatorships try to stamp it out. It's like phosphorus ~ you can't keep it in a jar forever. It only needs exposure to the air before it burst into flames again.

The best we can hope for is to ensure that the various religions don't ascend to political control over our western societies as they once did to horrific effect.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #143 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

Dear Yadda,
This is the ultimate result of your superstition:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1676.cfm

Quote:

THE TRUE FACE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION -- ROTTEN SPIRITUAL FRUIT FROM THE ABYSS OF HELL.

The Roman Catholic Inquisition was one of the greatest disasters ever to befall mankind. In the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain. Heretics is defined whichever way Rome wanted it defined; it ranged from people who disagreed with official policy, to Hermetic Philosophers [Black Magick Practitioners], to Jews, to Witches, and to the Protestant reformers.

Protestants of that era weren't any better. Martin Luther led the way with his Jew-hate.

True - the whole of Europe was full of crazy religious nutcases.

Unfortunately there seems to be a revival of them.

The neo-Christian medieval revival has its home in the US. Easily the creepiest and most pernicious of all Christian sects... Beating many time over the (relatively miniscule) isolationist Christian sects (i.e. closed brethren and not counting Mennonites and Amish).

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #145 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:16pm

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

True - the whole of Europe was full of crazy religious nutcases.

Unfortunately there seems to be a revival of them.

Particularly those of the fervent atheistic kind.

It goes beyond decency to sermonise about other people's personal beliefs. Live and let live.

Dear Muso,
I ideology of Nazism was rejected by the world because of what the Nazis did.

Somehow the world seems to forget about what the ideology of religion led to.
It's presumed as being ok for some unknown reason & to
even question it is considered wrong & the usual
reason is that it's not respecting someone else's beliefs.

We don't respect Nazi beliefs.

forgiven

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #146 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Religion will always be with us, no matter how dictatorships try to stamp it out. It's like phosphorus ~ you can't keep it in a jar forever. It only needs exposure to the air before it burst into flames again.

The best we can hope for is to ensure that the various religions don't ascend to political control over our western societies as they once did to horrific effect.

The next great (quasi) 'religion' to ascend to political control over our western societies is (as Tariq Ali coined) the 'extreme centre' (the extreme left and right having been discredited).

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Reply #147 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

True - the whole of Europe was full of crazy religious nutcases.

Unfortunately there seems to be a revival of them.

Particularly those of the fervent atheistic kind.

It goes beyond decency to sermonise about other people's personal beliefs. Live and let live.

Dear Muso,
I ideology of Nazism was rejected by the world because of what the Nazis did.

Somehow the world seems to forget about what the ideology of religion led to.
It's presumed as being ok for some unknown reason & to
even question it is considered wrong & the usual
reason is that it's not respecting someone else's beliefs.

We don't respect Nazi beliefs.

forgiven

namaste

Funny, though, it turns out most wars that have been fought are not of a religious nature, they are in the cause of settling the affairs of Kings, blatant land grabs, military adventurism or ethnic hatred.

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Reply #148 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

True - the whole of Europe was full of crazy religious nutcases.

Unfortunately there seems to be a revival of them.

Particularly those of the fervent atheistic kind.

It goes beyond decency to sermonise about other people's personal beliefs. Live and let live.

Dear Muso,
I ideology of Nazism was rejected by the world because of what the Nazis did.

Somehow the world seems to forget about what the ideology of religion led to.
It's presumed as being ok for some unknown reason & to
even question it is considered wrong & the usual
reason is that it's not respecting someone else's beliefs.

We don't respect Nazi beliefs.

forgiven

namaste

It's a non sequitur. Nazism was a consequence of fervent nationalism plus some greed and arrogance. Just because Hitler was Christian is irrelevent. Most of the major combatants in Europe at that time were Christian. You could just as well argue that the allied victory against Hitler was inspired by Christianity. Some did.

Nazi Germany formed an alliance with Japan. The religious perspective was largely irrelevent.

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Re: Is Christian religion dying out?
Reply #149 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

muso wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

True - the whole of Europe was full of crazy religious nutcases.

Unfortunately there seems to be a revival of them.

Particularly those of the fervent atheistic kind.

It goes beyond decency to sermonise about other people's personal beliefs. Live and let live.

Dear Muso,
I ideology of Nazism was rejected by the world because of what the Nazis did.

Somehow the world seems to forget about what the ideology of religion led to.
It's presumed as being ok for some unknown reason & to
even question it is considered wrong & the usual
reason is that it's not respecting someone else's beliefs.

We don't respect Nazi beliefs.

forgiven

namaste

It's a non sequitur. Nazism was a consequence of fervent nationalism plus some greed and arrogance. Just because Hitler was Christian is irrelevent. Most of the major combatants in Europe at that time were Christian. You could just as well argue that the allied victory against Hitler was inspired by Christianity. Some did.

Nazi Germany formed an alliance with Japan. The religious perspective was largely irrelevent.

I referred to dangerous ideology.

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